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On Of Music & Men from The Life N Times Network, Dre and Natheer unpack the week in music and culture, connecting how the internet, the industry, and everyday life shape what we hear. Expect lively debate, clear takeaways, and a few laughs as we give our two cents to the artists with all the change.

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SPEAKER_02:

It's like life and times of music of men episode 38. Happening. Me and Dre all day. Listen, bro. Whoop they do, Dre. We potted again. Are you how you do you feel uh slimish today? Yo, it's a great day to be a fucking citizen, huh?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm uh outstanding citizen.

SPEAKER_02:

Amused.

SPEAKER_01:

You see the you see the memes where they were like this is a I think but they compare it to Naruto or something.

SPEAKER_03:

What?

SPEAKER_01:

Joe, they said ATL is like uh it's Naruto, like each person was a different character. And yo, HL is like, first of all, all right, let me let me stop.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't want to talk about their business. Alright. I'm staying out of ATL business. All I'm saying is the situation is a madness, man. I like if you're young thug and obviously, right? Like, it's all jokes. We said the jokes, right? We got the jokes out the way. It's releasing this shit for a reason, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, but hear me out, hear me out. Yeah. Why would these kinds of conversations be happening over the phone, anyways?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, not everybody's what they say they are, right? And when I say that, I mean if like if you're these like push a tease, like all these super drug dealers we have, like Captain America's of drug dealing and rap music. The the fucking uh the Justice League of the of the blocks, right? You got these heroes of uh the crime-written cities of America think really stick to the codes of the streets because if you're that big and that like they're tapping you and shit, why are you talking? Why are we talking?

SPEAKER_01:

Why are we talking?

SPEAKER_02:

We ain't talking about Nathan. My name Nate, but we're not talking about Nathan. And I don't get it, bro. Because like, and that's what I get that like like street culture is not consistent and it has the worst results. And I hope we stop investing in it.

SPEAKER_01:

I hope this whole young thug, debacle, really shows the culture, like the kids who are in these environments that are usually looking up to these guys to not because at the end of the day, they're not heroes, and what you think is oh, these look at these people, they got rich and they're holding it down, and it's like they're not to take completes.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a crazy cool name. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's funny you said like you were talking about like hopefully the the new generation of kids aren't looking up to that. I've seen something from I think it was Iron Leisure. They had a question last week, and it's like, I actually think I see a decline in the praise of street culture. Like, I think we've kind of hit a fatigue a bit. Like we had like drill went crazy in like 2016, and and after that we were going crazy. Then COVID kind of like I know that it's popular to be a YN and stuff like that now, but like actually I do genuinely think that there's more of a rise of it being okay to be an intellect as a young black person. More like, even if there's streetness involved, like it's more than just like being a dumb street person. Like, I think that's going away.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I think uh I think a lot of this stuff is changing. I think the culture is changing within itself. I think these moments help change it. I think uh this young thug situation really highlights that there's no real guidance, no real mentors, no one here is going to help you here. As far as street culture, at the end of the day, like all this gang stuff we talk about, these are false bonds, chasing a false sense of masculinity that you couldn't find in your initial environment, either at home or in your neighborhood. So it is tough, right? These are tough things we gotta deal with. It's gonna take decades to get out of it. But I'm glad situations like this happen to expose it at a high level. And listen, I don't know these guys. Maybe they're the toughest guys in America and everything's wrong. I don't want any trouble. I just think that like this situation, even like on the flip side, the leak calls, like the the feds are they're calling a hell married. They're really mad that he got out. Like they don't not like that shit at all. So they they did this to discredit him in the streets. And we're gonna talk about Drake later, but this is a common theme where people in our culture who do business with us or exploit us know our ethics and know our culture enough to use it against us. Meaning Young Thug looking like a rat is worse than him being in jail to the culture.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

So those leaked calls basically put him in a different prison after that. Like it's not like those calls don't get leaked for no reason. Like fed calls do not get leaked for no reason. Somebody had to press the button. Like, or an employee broke the law. Either way, something drastic had to happen.

SPEAKER_01:

Someone was built built in that case. And I mean, as you say, right, because it was he already had a lot of restrictions put on him for getting out, anyways. But now that he these calls are leaked, his reputation is gonna permit. It was already gonna be hard on his music career because they were dictating the kind of music he could make. So I mean his career going forward is gonna kind of be tough.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, he made up with Drake, he apologized to Wham. It was an IG Pokémon, he wrote letters to each of them. And I feel like this is what can become a community, you know? Everybody can see each other. I think we should forgive each other because like the shit we own, it don't really make sense. Like, I really appreciate some aspects of the culture, but like the shit's not working. It's just not working, you know? See, that's what I'm saying. That situation is a madness, man. And and this is like this is like the shit that like will should tell people to stay out of the streets, man. Look how look how confusing that is. Just get a job. I swear to you.

SPEAKER_01:

Because having to maintain and try to balance all those relationships is just not worth it.

SPEAKER_02:

I'd rather have HR, man. You know, I'd rather have a two-week notice. You know, disciplinary action. You know, like something. What do they used to give you a strike against your record? Like, this is the regular process of events because now Wham won't answer the phone, bro. I didn't even feel about uh YSL co-founder Mondo calling young thug the biggest rat. And like what is how like how big of a rat is he, right? Like, how big is a rat?

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, listen.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, you told me to listen. I'm listening.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm just like, look, I mean if you present yourself a certain way, right, and then you go against that narrative that you help that you hold other people up to, right? That's the other difference. If you hold other people to a standard that you yourself cannot uphold, that's just like like your name is is worthless, whether you're a rat for it or not. Yeah, that's just how I see it.

SPEAKER_02:

Or it seems so. You know, I I've seen 'em, you know, on the scene, you know, pulling up as they say. Checking temperatures, as they say. And everybody's pretty cool. Speaking of cool, let's get into the Drake Iceman episode of Dream. What did you think about that? Did you see it?

SPEAKER_01:

I did, I did. And thankfully someone in the comments left timestamps everything because I wasn't trying to particular for the whole thing. I wanted to get the important parts. I like what Drake's doing with these. Just the the the rollout, the the film of it. I think moral artists need to go back into adding something to their production. Outside, like this is obviously outside of just like the music, just dropping the album and just doing whatever. I think it was a good vid episode video, whatever. I think it's like 50 minutes. I think it was nice.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. I'll I'll give you my reaction to the live stream first, and then we'll talk about some of the music in it and then the links.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Imagery, because there's a lot of things in it, but let me just react to the live stream. I like the live stream. I think he's also poking fun at Kendrick and his camp as far as the wokeness, as far as the length of this and all the deeper meaning. We've never seen him do do stuff like that, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

During the Hide of the Beef, Kendrick said we like Drake with the melodies. And Family Matters, his hardest diss to Kendrick was with melodies. These guys are still responding to each other. That's all I'm saying. These guys are out with each other's ops. Kendrick was just with Pusha T and them. You know, hey, shout out to Pusha T and them. They just did the Vatican.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a major fucking that's a I have an opposing opinion to that.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, thank you. I did too. I I didn't said it like to be positive. I didn't said it. Like crazy shit happened at the Vatican, bro. And why is that a big move for us? And why do we care?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, like, like personally, right? Like rel religion aside, I understand the Vatican's an important place for all the people in the world.

unknown:

Think about that. My fault, y'all.

SPEAKER_01:

This is not well, but but to be fair, right? And I know there's been changes that just happened in the Vatican, new pope, all that. To me, this is not the direction that hip hop should be going, right? Because, and I think we're we're we're kind of losing the plot as per usual, right? We're it's getting more famous, right? Hip hop inherently was not made to be digestible, right? That's why it's not the most popular art form, especially for what the content of what they're we're rapping about, getting them at the Vatican is also an interesting take. But yeah, that's I I just like what does hip-hop have to lose for it to enter some of these spaces? Is the way I see it.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, there's always a concession of character. I mean, look at hip-hop's involvement with the NFL. Look at hip-hop's involvement with any major brand. I mean, wham, no, not wham, spider and gunner were in the Call of Duty video. They was in the trailer.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, like And it's like for stuff like that, like for gang, I mean, it's always been there. Games, movies, soundtracks, like that is fine. But there are certain spaces that I'm like, what is what do you have to give up that made this art form popular in the first place to get there? If I we start seeing rappers doing performances at the White House, I know what rap and hip-hop is. So what do we have to lose to be digestible for these 70 and 80-year-old white dudes at the White House to be like, I want this performance? Like, that is very different to me, like that's different than what Kendrick did at a Super Bowl or you know, J. Cole going on the late night show and doing a performance. But like those things to me are spreading the message, but what message is being spread when we are playing drug music at the Vatican?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, and here's the thing with these guys, right? These guys have this standpoint that they're black excellence and what they bring to our conversation is not excellent. Like, I don't think we should be bloated for these things or popularized for these things. And and my biggest critique with these guys, and I say these guys, I'm talking about older rappers who are continuously telling me drug tales for 30 plus years. Like Binny the Butcher and all of them, they just got on the scene, they just stopped doing that shit. I understand.

SPEAKER_01:

But in 20 years, uh, you don't want to hear about I'm too bro.

SPEAKER_02:

In 20 years, I'm 50.

unknown:

I'm popped.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not listening to murder music. You can put on some smooth jazz. I've seen enough. But like for real though, I really think that space needs some uh trimming. But let's get back into the ice man, bro. There were some really good songs that released from this. There was the Julia Wolf song with Yeet. How do you feel about that song?

SPEAKER_01:

I actually like that. I do like that song.

SPEAKER_02:

I like it too. People rate it. People rate, you know. People hitting for what? Bro, Carsonette said that this was trash. He said Iceman 3 is trash, he didn't enjoy it at all. And I think the people in the consumer, like Carsonette personally, I think he's a very materialistic, first look type of person. That's his off-cuff. I don't know him personally. Because they're always just that. If you could take a couple more seconds and listen to the music being said, right? Because like even in some of those tracks that weren't clean cuts, he's saying things, and we don't know what's gonna be on the album.

SPEAKER_01:

Like that's my confusion, too, with these episodes and with these, or you put nine tracks on this episode three or thing with nine, it's like, okay, what is actually making it to the album's full-fledged songs? I know there's a couple singles that are already out, but this is a lot of music, a lot of whether it's just beats or actual music, which once again we always talk about Drake's the weight over his competition is always gonna be the fact that he's going to produce. Doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm not putting out music, he's putting on music. But I I and I'm not even the biggest fan of Yeat, but I like that song. I think Drake has a great talent for farming for finding female voices that work well with his music.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. The song was really great. I didn't understand like the hate for it. Like, people are still saying this and that. It is what it is, but I think uh the the problem with Drake now is that everybody's keying in and the people who's keying in don't even like him. Like, there's directed groups of people who pull up to react to his shit and watch the whole Iceman thing, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Just to hate it, just to hate it.

SPEAKER_02:

That's a crazy, that's a crazy lifestyle. Like uh, I I really think Iceman's gonna be good. I think these songs, just to get back to the songs, because you were talking about the leaks and everything like that, what's going on in the songs? I think Drake is at war with UMG, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Look what happens when this is this is the guy he just besmirched. This is the guy bringing money. He had two number two hits after the beef. And I'm not trying to discredit Kendrick at all. I'm pretty sure he didn't, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Like far as it Nokia?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it was Nokia and I miss in which one did very well in the UK. And this song here is doing well in different like all four of those songs. I think it was Nokia, which one, what did I miss? And the song you just put out, The Dog. Yeah. Those those four songs are four different lanes, bro. Like he's he's feeding and chefing a lot of crowds. And I I think those bars ones, the bar heavy tracks that we heard the leaks of, we're not getting on the album. Anything with some actual bars on it, it can't be on the album. Because I would accept it. If I I would literally take my I will rate it different if I get on if I get to this album and music I've heard is on there.

SPEAKER_01:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02:

Unless it's uh like because some of the shit you can tell wasn't even fully thought out yet. Like one of them, like it was like Iceman one or two, he says, uh, like every other word meant something, but he's like, uh so like you never know. But let's get to some stuff, but we got a lot of shit to go over. Like Boosie badass, pled guilty for his case, for his gun case. He's gonna have to probably sit down for like two, I'm pretty sure they dropped it. But this is what happens, man. They they got they got that they've had them on the they had him on the street for the longest.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, so he's been he's been going through court and dealing with it for two years already. And he's like, you know, he's just tired of all the court stuff. So if he has to go for two years, he's like, oh, just do it. And once again, some of these people they've been in jail, they're like, what's more time? I know been in there, be in there and be out, it don't matter. I also like one, and I think we need to sort of signal precedent for this, and I hope his lawyer actually found could have found a way to get this through. If you are a felon for non-violent crimes, I I I understand felons are in possession of the weapons. Well, so I know so, but that's the thing. So I know felons are not supposed to be in possession of weapons, but this is the case that his lawyer was trying to make to get his time reduced. If you're a felon for a non-violent crime, which is what he is, the time that you should get for possessing a weapon, like if I'm a felon because I there's numerous things you'd be a felon for. You'd be a felon because I was money fraud, right? Taking away your second amendment because of that is crazy, but that's what they were trying to get him less time for. Like, dude, he's not a threat to anybody. It's not what he was imprisoned for. But if he's just like, you know what he's tired of all the court battles, two years is two years. That's fine. But at a certain age, bro, don't you just want to stop going to jail?

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like this should be the last bit of this shit, but like, and that's the thing about street culture and street dynamics. Like, the way you gotta carry that shit for the rest of your life is crazy. Like, Boosie's damn near 60, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

60? No, but actually, how old is this, man?

SPEAKER_02:

At least 50, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

At least Boosie. No. Boosie is 42 years young.

SPEAKER_02:

Holy fuck, bro. That's crazy. I'm not dealing with that shit at 42. But let's let's talk about some other shit. We have a big case that's percolating with the artist D4 VD in the situation with Revis. He's under investigation, his poor has stopped. There has been a body found with a matching tattoo for the missing young lady. She is underage. This is horrendous. And I hope he goes under the jail. I hope. And this is where I wonder where the vitral is, right? And I'm not trying to compare and conflate, but there is another incident that happened where the stabbing on the bus, right? And the victim was immediately humanized and turned into a person, and the other the perpetrator was an animal and a creature and a creating, right? Like this is the uh conversation around it. What this conversation happens first, and even I did this. I was like, he's an artist, he's on tour. How did he you know? Like I'm looking at the headlines, and then I start seeing other things, right? But I if there's a big bias of a girl like Celeste versus the girl that was on that bus, and I think that's the core of the issue. She was gone for two years.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think it's the it's the media. Like, like if we're comparing the incident of the because you know, both the news are happening on the same tab, the media and our government specifically are utilizing the woman that was stabbed on the bus for political purposes. And this, although still a high profile case because it involves David and a minor and a bunch of other stuff like that. Yes, a lot of people are like, oh no, I don't they they didn't want to believe it at first. And once again, right, we we see a lot of evidence in public opinion. Technically, right now, everything is still allegations, yes, but Noah does not good and alleged if this goes to court and these things were done by him. I mean, take this back. The the the the murder is alleged. It is not alleged that he was dating an underage woman. That or girl, not woman, girl. He was dating a girl, he was dating a little girl who probably was like 19 and she was 13, I think, when they first started dating. Yeah, that's not alleged. You should go to jail for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The murder is alleged. Dating a minor, that's not that's not alleged. You should go down for just that and of itself. And there's a deeper conversation in America that we have to have about that on on both ends, period, because there are a lot of people, like I'm not victim-blaming the other students that were involved in this either. There's a lot of things that were in play with this, the amount of people that knew that they were dating, uh, people that he was paying off that knew that they were dating. Like, there's a whole bunch of oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And here's the situation, and this is why I learned like just doing this podcast with you, bro. A certain amount of money gets a certain amount of character, and you start seeing people take, you know, they start looking the other way. This is how the Diddy, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, this Diddy R. Kelly, this is how he was able to go into high school, pick girls, and go to their families, and they're like, Oh, yeah, go on to work with this grown 40-year-old man.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I'm saying. Like, um, like the and I don't want to blame anybody. You know what? Fuck it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm blaming those parents.

SPEAKER_02:

I want I want uh some higher level of accountability. This is your child. How did your child even get like I I I don't even know how it like you get that caught up, and how does an artist, right? What happened in his life to think that was okay?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, we have a it's it's not even as him as an artist, we have a we as a society, it's like we we we we dislike things that we also culturally expect and approve of. We dislike older, like this is a problem, older people dating younger people, we dislike that. But we also have a cultural expectation to where it's okay and expect it for younger women to date older men. But then they're like, okay, well, what at what age are they supposed to start thinking that that is okay and when it's not okay? We have to start setting boundaries and be more specific with this, both with the men and the women. It is these these age-gap relationships that people just keep being like, oh, it's fine, or it's this and that. No, because it then leads to stuff like this. It then leads to someone being screwed up enough to think that well, this person's mature, they're old enough, or this. It's a society that has allowed this, whether it was her parents, those other students andor teachers that were aware, because there's a video of her teacher who I guess knew that she was dating because he had pictures of her. He was like, Oh, this girl used to be my student or something like that. I don't know if he knew everything, but like he knew her and the kid that was getting paid off because the picture came out with the kid that someone took a picture of David paying the kid. Like, we have these things don't happen in a bubble, like these things are being protected by people and by a community that are just choosing to be quiet and just accept that these things are normal. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, there's a lot of sacrifice from the people who are victimized in this situation, and it's because of their environment. It's truly a saddening thing. I hope we figure out the bottom of this, and everybody gets their proper charges, to be honest. I don't I I really that's that's the only thing we can do is charge these people, put them underneath the jail, and make an example because hopefully this isn't a big thing, but it I mean it is a big thing in music community in music communities and music, period. Like, look at Elvis, look at all these people like throughout history. I don't know what's going on and what happens on the road. I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_01:

He met her when she was 13. Like, what are we talking about? And her parents were like, oh, it's okay, go on the road. He's again that's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

What's not crazy and what helps us out in this stressful world? I don't know. But I always have to deal with this. Dolce wins the VMA for anxiety. I mean, it was a big song.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a big song. Good video?

SPEAKER_02:

Great, great video. Will Smith approved before Will Smith got canceled, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

What's not even sorry about him?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, wow, boy.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I don't I don't I never understood Drake haters until I started hating on Will Smith. And now I get it.

SPEAKER_02:

But I don't know. It's easy to hate on Will Smith, bro. He's like all emasculated and shit. It's like a wild lifestyle. It's easy to hate on him. Right. How do you feel about Buster Rounds getting his flowers, bro? I I yo, Buster Rounds was my favorite fucking rapper when I first came out.

SPEAKER_01:

Really? Was it the voice?

SPEAKER_02:

It was, yeah, it was the voice of the fucking you know, the visual art in his music video. So like when he was like riffing off a rush hour and shit like that, that it was just it was too fire for me, bro. He was and I used to play with him in uh Def Jam. So like I I'm a big Buster fan. I'm a big, I'm a big Buster Rums fan. That was like one of my favorite rappers coming up. It so it was Buster Rums, then it was Ludacris, and then I found Z.

SPEAKER_01:

Ludacris also had a bunch of fire videos and no, I like the creative videos, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

That shit was cool as shit. Like Missy Elliott, she had the cool videos as well. That they had a run, right? Like they had a real run on that shit, bro. But uh, how do you feel about Bus the Rums, his legacy, man? He deserves all these flowers, bro. He's the architect of hip-hop. I mean, there'd be no little yachtis and all these guys who are so creative and outside of the lane, you know. Even he's like one of the fast rappers, too. He inherited that flow as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think anyone who has played a pivotal importance, and it's usually the people who have played human importance aren't the most popular. And so I feel like at a certain point, yeah, it should be recognized that these people laid a good foundation for these artists that everyone thinks are like the best or so popular, and it's like, yeah, they wouldn't have maybe got it or gone to those faces without these guys. These guys walked or crawled, so these guys could run. And yeah, it's good to get them while they're alive, right? Like everyone's celebrating the people are dead, and it's like nah, do it while they're here.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, man. Speaking of doing it while they're here, LOK was the one that was hosting it, bro. It's good to see LOK, bro. It's crazy. Like, he started acting, he was gone, bro. Like, I fuck with L Cool J. I he's uh he's one of the OGs, bro. He used to like flex on Jay-Z and shit, man. It's just hilarious. Like, you do you know about this? Like before Jay-Z got. No, like they used to have like rap battles and shit, and L Coo J be like, well, you know, that's good, but you're not signed.

SPEAKER_01:

And look how the tables have turned.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, the tables have turned on Jay-Z. His casino bill was rejected by the New York authorities. He can't bring gambling to New York. Why are they trying to stop fluke us, man?

SPEAKER_01:

Alright, so here's here's my thing with this. This is why I'm not this is why I need people to sit down and understand that not everything a black person does is good for black people.

SPEAKER_02:

Bro, in the community, bro, we need more gambling spots.

SPEAKER_01:

Why? Like, this is this is what I hate when I see black artists or and I know every entertainer does it, but I don't care about them. Black rappers, musicians, like artists, actors. Why are we always doing alcohol brand deals? Right? Why are we gambling? Like, why are we like is there nothing positive that she would have wanted to bring to the community? Like, I don't know, affordable housing? That doesn't make enough money. No, or were you going to use the because this is what they also do with false promises? We're gonna put this casino here, and then we're gonna put you know, a percent of the profits back. Into the community by this, this, and this. But that percent of the profits that you're claiming you're gonna put back into the community is nothing compared to what is going to be taken from the community through addiction.

SPEAKER_02:

First off, Jay-Z was trying to help the community. All right. The only reason that he's a billionaire and there's Marcy projects is because it's a great aesthetic. It's good to grow up in harsh environments. That's why. And it's honestly being a black American is all about the struggling, struggling, struggling. If you feel safe, if you have any money in your bank account, you're doing it wrong. You know, I'm being sarcastic in that shit. Like the Jay-Z move is a Jay-Z move. This is what he does. He's a Trojan horse. He's a black Trojan horse. He has black culture around and they're white business. So like that that's that's what he's been doing for a very long time. He's been grifting and shelling the culture. And uh Beyoncé just makes it digestible. Yeah, he makes it break down his culture. You see, they come to my brunches on the on the top floor.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, because so my first thought was when I seen Busha 2 at the Vatican, I was like, who helped him get there? I thought it was Jay-Z who helped them get there. That's the only person I think would have the connections for that.

SPEAKER_02:

Pharrell, Jay-Z, man. They got their favorites, you know. I'm trying to be out the way, man. I say Jay-Z, he mistaken, like he first of all, he did get rejected. They didn't come to terms yet. So that's one thing. And Beyonce didn't meet with Trump's daughter. You know what? Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01:

With Ivanka.

SPEAKER_03:

Hey.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess shit, cool, man. I think I hey, we beyond niling.

SPEAKER_01:

No, because let's talk about that though. Because Jay-Z's still on the commit he's still on the commission or council for NFL or whatever, right? So the NFL was not allowed to get political when it was coming to niling, but the NFL is allowed to take a moment of silence for Nazi. And I'm gonna call him what he is. Charlie Kirk's a Nazi.

SPEAKER_02:

And like that's the man's, bro. You can't be mad at that. Charlie Kirk big homies with uh the NFL, bro. You know that.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, now he's about to get his own day. So 14th.

SPEAKER_02:

Why don't you like I'm not mad he's getting his own day. I feel like we should recognize people, right? Like on the 14th, I'm like, all right, I know he's into some wild shit. I heard about him, right? All right, he passed and whatnot. You know, sorry to his face. Like, overall, like, bro's impact can't really impact me. Like, the culture he was reaching and talking to, like, he was talking about my culture, but he wasn't talking for my culture. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01:

No, but that but see, but it does impact you because he was using his voice. My full point.

SPEAKER_02:

Let me finish my full point. It doesn't impact me in the way that I under like I understand what he represents and his passion doesn't affect me. Like, I understand what he understands his legacy, I understand he did some good business as far as how he started out and what he built, right? I think you can learn from people you disagree with, and I've learned some things from Charlie Kirk, just how he's done business and how he stoked his fan base and how he hit his targets. Because he he largely went against kids, and we were kids in college. Were we the most informed people? No. We went for loco and a McChickens, maybe some fries, and we were happy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And now we got debate Charlie Kirk after that. That's crazy. But on a real note, I think a lot of this stuff is wrapped up into a lot of sinister things going on underneath when the people who have the more who have more money and they're doing different things to control us in different ways. But I think uh Jay-Z is always gonna be a part of a piecemeal of black culture. He's he's always gonna be like, yo, man, it's for us, but it's for me. You know what I'm saying? So like that's just what he is. That's what he does. Speaking of that, we got Dame Dash, right? His business partner. He's trending all over, he's beefing with Cam. He was on the Breakfast Club, calling Charlemagne, this and that. I get some of the things Damon Dash says, but he still has a block mentality and keeps talking about business. At some point, the block mentality doesn't apply to all business, and he probably knows that when he presents himself like that, you know?

SPEAKER_01:

Because it appeals to people on the block.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. That's what he he's only doing it for cool points. Like it you can do business and maintain your cultural identity without being rude. Like it's I I like that's what it's that's what it really is. Like, he's just being rude and off-putting. I can understand why people don't do a lot of business with him. Like, I can get how he got into this situation and I understand why he's filing for bankruptcy. I also get some of the points he is flipping on Charlemagne the guy. I do believe like a lot of the black media is controlled opposition.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Yeah, not in our best interest.

SPEAKER_02:

Nope. What'd you say, boss? Yes, boss.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I think at a I think if you are in any, because I mean when you if you go deep and you look at any of the research, you know, once you figure out who owns all this stuff, right? If you if I if I am and I made a joke where Jimmy come up earlier, but it's simple. If you do not own your means of production and you're you don't own your audience, and you're just renting a space from something that someone has created necessarily, right? If you you may have a radio talk, but if you if if some other company owns your radio show, you're subject what they want you to say.

SPEAKER_02:

Bro, this stuff is just a real illustration of the music industry in itself. If you have no leverage, you get fucked with. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And but here's the thing, and we can talk about Jimmy because he has bread, bro. Like, you're not being balanced, you got cut off your show, you can go buy some podcast equipment right now. That shit'll probably off right now. So, like, a lot of that, like, I have sympathy for the situation. I understand how the situation is crazy. It is a crazy situation, it is wild, but like you do have power, bro. And I think I think a lot of people just want to be a victim sometimes when there's options. All right, that should just happen, but you can do something else. And like, imagine he got kicked off his show, bro, and the next very hour he continues his show with his guests through a podcast, some type of form, and says, You guys don't have control over media.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

But, you know, he didn't do that.

SPEAKER_01:

And and and and we've talked about this before. Some people are super like we've talked about like kind of why it took Kanye so long to kind of do his own means of production. Some people have gotten comfortable with 90% of the things being handled and just being the talent. And he's a very popular voice. I do not think it will be hard for another network to pick him up. The only difference in this situation over than others is that people, I think people are really not understanding the gravity of what it means when you have a voice directly from the administration. I think it was like the commissioner of communications or something, directly telling your business, hey, if you don't take action against this person, we are going to take action against you. Like that is some high level.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it was TC, bro. It was clear, it was clear bullying, like yeah, clear abuse of power. It's clear, you know, and then listen, it a lot of things are becoming tenuous nowadays. And I don't want to give up too much tape. We will be talking about this on The Life of Times. I think uh maybe I'll just have me and you and Aaron all do it. Because it'll be really good to get these perspectives. I want to keep the music, the music, because like Megan Estallion's taking academics to court, Aiden Roth to court, she getting her coins, I'm seizing this and this. She's she's also here's my thing.

SPEAKER_01:

What? Because you're kind of you're kind of telling yourself when you do this. If I want to take you to court, because you obtained DNA information, DNA records from the weapon that was used and uh, you know, the case that made me popular, if that evidence wasn't damning against me, I wouldn't be taking you to court. So the fact that she wants to even take him to court over that so that he can give up his source, because he obtained evidence that was supposed to be used against her, that's not a good look.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I think that situation, you know, I'll I'll stand about that situation. I think Tori didn't snitch, and that's why he got into this. If he would have just snitched and told him, hey, officer, I did not do this, let me tell you exactly what happened. I think he'd be in a different situation because now, like, he never testified or ever defended himself because he didn't want to look like a snitch, and that's what it is, and that's a plague in black culture.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, and I guess crazy, bro. You're from Canada. Why are how why is American black culture street code even prevalent in Canada?

SPEAKER_02:

Because of the media, bro. Pain and Fool got played everywhere, dog. Get rich and die get rich and die trying was everywhere. Shit went platinum, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Like so, did you so did you watch her documentary on Hulu when she did it about her story and all that? Meg megups.

SPEAKER_02:

So she had a documentary on Hulu about all this, and I I haven't watched it either, but I really want to like Well, she said in that, I'm pretty sure in that documentary, don't quote me on this. But she publicly, a straight lie, she said, I never slept with Tori Lance. You get down that position, we get down to everything else, we find out she did. So, like, if you're lying about basic shit like that, bro, I'm cool.

SPEAKER_01:

I just he what Tori's got five years left. I can't wait for him to go, jail. And tell his um the story.

SPEAKER_02:

He's gonna tell a bridge story. I I think his voice will be paramount, though. His voice will be paramount and powerful if he makes it out. He's still in the I I I think something can happen to him between between then and now because Did he recover from the stabbings? Yeah, he he recovered. I'm pretty sure. I don't know if he's in gym pop. I would get the fuck out of gym pop. But he might be back in gym pop after that situation.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, no, they like normally they would have to move. No, actually, sometimes they won't. That but that would also be crazy. Who could keep him? Tory Lanez is not poor, okay? So who could keep him in that particular jail prison is also like I wonder why you didn't go to Canada because he committed the crime here and they keeping him there.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

That situation is gonna percolate. Megan Stallion's got lawyers, DJ Academics got lawyers, Aiden Ross got lawyers, and everybody got bread. So this is gonna be in litigation for a while.

SPEAKER_01:

You think Aiden got more money than her? That kick deal goes, you know.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know his deal with kick, but he's also producing his own events, and events aren't cheap, bro. I'm pretty sure Megan has like sponsored deals. I would say comfortably, he probably has like 50 to 100 more than her.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

That crypto money and that stream money is different, bro. We don't know, like they get 20 gifted. They they don't even shout out everybody that's giving them bread, dog.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what it comes down to. Like, if they're gonna go like uh DJ Kadipics don't get as much money as either one of those two, but I'm thinking I'm thinking more like when it comes to that, it's who can get the better lawyer and who can throw the more throw the most money at the situation to beat the case.

SPEAKER_02:

But the the fucking uh labels, bro. He's getting paid a pretty penny per post for these guys. Really? Like, I don't know how much money Act got. Like per post, like labels paying. I know a little bit about Cardi B, bro. She's having another what hold on, hold on. She's having another child with an another suitor.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Divorce is still not finalized, but I feel like she's moving on to a new chapter in life. And how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01:

So who's her baby daddy?

SPEAKER_02:

Um, Stefan Diggs. He's NFL cut. He knows Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_01:

Listen. We're gonna talk about other problems in the black community. You will watch this woman and her baby dad argue on Twitter every day, and you're gonna go and tell yourself she's gonna be different with me.

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe he wasn't thinking with his right mind.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know, bro. Like, if I saw Shorty with that type of personal track record, I'd be like, Vito, no. Like, why would you choose that? She got kids, and she's wild on Twitter.

SPEAKER_00:

You're gonna have to like choose peace.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, for the rest of your life. Now you got an internal op and offset. Like, offset. Let's just think about his name. Like, what is he offsetting? We don't need like we don't need to figure that out.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, that's what we're dealing with, and and I get as a NFL player, professional first player, or any celebrity, right? You want to get with people who also come from some sort of status, because then you don't have that kind of disparity that comes and messing with like groupies and stuff like that. Like, I get that, but there have to be other women your age who are well off and well-intentioned, and at the very least, have less drama surrounding them. This woman has not finalized her divorce, so technically she is still married to this man, she still has to be heavily involved in this toxic relationship with her through their child, and you've already seen them have conversations about the online. I just that's that's not a good look for any adult, and it's very sad to see it become popularized because that reinforces what a lot of kids are gonna see, and they're gonna think it's okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, whatever happens at the top is gonna happen at the bottom. I always said Cardi B is a horrendous role model for women. I don't think anybody should be looking up towards her at all. I don't think she makes the right moves publicly, business-wise, or emotionally, but that's my opinion. The fact is she did drop an album. She also put WAP on that album, and that is very old. And people are pointing out that as well. How do you feel about her using the old food and trying to rehab? Like that's food for Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_01:

She doesn't have a discography. She's suffering from I don't know, actually. I don't know what she's missing.

SPEAKER_02:

A writer.

SPEAKER_01:

I think possibly. I also I don't know how good her connections are, if they're still valid in the industry. I don't think anyone with music I think she's burned some bridges.

SPEAKER_02:

She's definitely burned some bridges. I think she has to hire a writer. The album's trash. It's not for me. Give it a five. She's using old work because the new work isn't doing anything. Her music doesn't move anybody. And here's the thing with her, Dolce, and a couple other female acts where they try to go super mainstream and then they can't retain it. This is almost like the Kendrick situation as well. Like, after GNX, what have we gotten from him? Like, the market is ravenous.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's hungry and you gotta keep feeding it.

SPEAKER_02:

You gotta feed that shit, man. Speaking of feeding things, Diddy is feeding his way to court. Okay?

SPEAKER_01:

He just I ain't know where you was going with that.

SPEAKER_02:

I had to think where you think was gonna go.

SPEAKER_01:

Listen, I didn't look, I was scared. I was afraid. I mean, I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02:

Listen, man. The more, you know, the closer I get to 30, the less afraid I get, man.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm just unk man. I don't know, man. But uh Denny's cases. Listen, October, he's getting sentenced, bro. You gonna free him or what, bro? How long do you think he's gonna get that full 20 for that prostitution charge at all?

SPEAKER_01:

No, because all it is is it was what was it? It was a charge of transportation for moving them. Like that's all they were able to hold on him. And yeah, Diddy's not going down for a long time. But what I do not, I will see this, and I'm gonna be up mad. People praising him getting off. This isn't something to celebrate personally. I don't think it's something to celebrate. If you're like, you know what, uh, you're tired of seeing rich, powerful black men get locked up. Well, I got news for you. I'm also tired of seeing rich, powerful black men do the same thing that rich, powerful white men do. Like, I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_02:

A lot of these dudes disminured their oppressor, man. That's exactly that's the dude that taught them how to get money. It's like, oh yeah, you gotta fuck over everybody, bro. That's how you do it. Like, and that's what they do. And and people are surprised. So yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna be happy nor sad if he gets out or if he stays in. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_01:

It's just gonna be his karma. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Karma, because he got off on the charges. He should really get on.

SPEAKER_01:

He really should. He really should have got though. So if he does climb for this, be happy. Get over it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, go ahead and sit down. He's probably he's not gonna do the whole 20 at all. He's gonna shop down to 10, chop down to five. He's been in for a year, good behavior. Too much bread, bro. He's gonna be out of there. And he's doing light time anyway. You probably got fucking Xbox, probably got Xbox PlayStation in there. Got the new, what's the new shit? The uh what? The new handle. The new handle.

SPEAKER_01:

The switch.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you got in there, bro. He he not started good. You probably eat better than me. In there with Y Gooo and shit. Looking at the news, you're like, damn, bro, they welding. But speaking of welding, we have AI and RB. Okay.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Sizz is upset, Kalani's upset, all the RB girlies are upset about this situation. The artist herself, I believe, writes the music, but the voice is a combination of AI sounds. So the lexicon of singers throughout the year, you know, throughout the known world.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So how you feel, boom? They already tried to.

SPEAKER_01:

If you are a singer and you write your own music, you could be upset. But you also should have been this vocal about other singers who don't write their own music today, right? Like, I'm gonna be honest, is it great? No. But if it's making sales, that means there's a market for it, that means people want it. And if she's writing the lyrics herself and people like the music.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I'm saying. It's kind of like a YouTube page, a faceless YouTube page, but it's faceless.

SPEAKER_01:

Which they're trying to crack down on, too.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, they're trying, which is weird. They're trying to crack down on anything where you make some easy money. Or it an easy way that they can't control or capitalize off of.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, you gotta toll.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what it really is. You gotta pay somebody to be somebody, right?

SPEAKER_03:

But nobody likes it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's Shark Tales. Yeah, it's a great film. See, it was a great film. Now you like Will Smith again.

SPEAKER_01:

No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like there are old films that I can appreciate. But I'm not I'm not consuming anything new from Will Smith. And I have not for the past like three years.

SPEAKER_02:

You don't like his uh hit single, Pretty Girls, bro?

SPEAKER_01:

No. Did you see that pop-up shit he did in London?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, bro. He's doing AI and shit, man. That's an old hit, bro. Let him live. I really do hope music gets to a place where we're coming from an organic space, and everybody's story can be respected, and we can just enjoy the music, and we can stop being exploited, and we can stop having all these Trojan horses. It'll be real nice. But this is a music event, episode 38. Me and Dre. Got anything to say, Big Dog?

SPEAKER_01:

Nah, stay safe, Elder.

SPEAKER_02:

Fuck staying safe, stay dangerous. A music event life in tongue. Network.