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Of Music & Men # 40

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On Of Music & Men from The Life N Times Network, Dre and Natheer unpack the week in music and culture, connecting how the internet, the industry, and everyday life shape what we hear. Expect lively debate, clear takeaways, and a few laughs as we give our two cents to the artists with all the change.

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It's Late in LA. A music event episode forty. Life and Times. And then yo. It's me and Dre. How you been, man? I've been good.

SPEAKER_00:

It's been uh it's been a good week. Do you feel like the one or the two? The one. Well, so it's Carib.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, guys, we're gonna talk about Caribou, Georgiana D. We're gonna talk about it. This is a music of men. Caribou's the one, not the two. That's her line. It's iconic. It was very big. I think these two artists are very similar. They are both unique flow, good beat. Great beat. I feel like the beat and the flow does it all for them. And outside of that, their writing skill. I mean, I say Jordana's a better writer. We know that Caribou started with ghostwriting. That that's that's a mark on her artistic ability as far as creation, not execution. But um, what do you think, man? Uh the girls are fighting as they say.

SPEAKER_02:

I think at least for Caribou, the last two times it's being the second, she's been in the limelight, has been negative drama. And so it's now becoming a pattern. And if this is the only way you're really getting out there, to me, that's just like you you gotta find other ways.

SPEAKER_01:

But she was dissed, bro. She was dissed. He was told she was the two, when she's really the one. So let's really talk about this. There's some petty shit going on, right? Yeah, Lil Yachty's involved. We'll talk about Lil' Yachty and the song and all that shit, but Lil Yachty's involved. I just found out some other shit. Oh, what you talking about? I I just found this shit. That was crazy. So Lil Yachty, I'm pretty sure, no, I'm not pretty sure. You know Caribou's best friend, Alicia?

SPEAKER_02:

I think she was she was part of the theory. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. She was part of it. She was posted a part a part of it, right? Part of it, yeah. She knew Yachty since they were kids. Okay. So they got some weird background shit. I think maybe she bullied them back in the day, huh? Maybe she made him feel like the two and not the one. I think I think this is a little Yachty move. One of the dudes online, I'm pretty sure is the guy that you know, what is it? A cane. It's a it's a it's a fashion line.

SPEAKER_00:

Not familiar.

SPEAKER_01:

Kind of like one of those V Lone dudes, like one of the early V loans, Ian Connor.

SPEAKER_00:

That sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_01:

I uh anyway, he said that uh Lil Yachty's Lucian Grange. Right. Georgiana is Kendrick, and Caribou is Drake. Oh my god. I think a lot of things are happening as far as like the business of this situation. Yachty gets money from both of these, I don't think from both ladies, but at least Caribou. So whatever she responds with, she's gonna he's gonna get a piece of that.

SPEAKER_02:

Correct, which is also already a weird situation after their last altercation. So these deals and situations that people be in be so weird because now you're still attached to like financially to someone you don't agree with, or at this point you're on position, and it's like, yo, them hating on me or me hating on them is gonna make them money.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so I think Yachty's trying to do a money glitch. I don't think there's any uh real beef between the two. Now, Caribou has made threats online very publicly. I don't have to say what she said she would do, but she wants to end this in 50 cuffs. Respectable. I I respect that. I would say let's do a boxing match, let's do an MMA match, let's get uh Aiden Ross involved. I would love to get more fair ones in. I would love to get that going. I remember, bro, I remember when I was 10, like 11, 12, 13, 14. If you lost a fight, it was cool. Somewhere in 15 and 16, if you lose a fight, go get a gun. Like, I I could I I don't know how that happened.

SPEAKER_02:

Because it was the normal casual thing to go, you know, all right, there's a situation, or even sometimes just for fun, but that kind of taught you to get over it. You go to the bathroom for 30 seconds, you'll 30 second round, whatever happens after that, and you go on a class and you just move about your day. Now we gotta shoot after school.

SPEAKER_01:

No one's gonna shoot. You know what's the crazy thing about black school shootings and white school shootings?

SPEAKER_02:

What we have targets. Oh, yeah. I'm only shooting you. That's crazy though. That's why we're not schooling. We're not school shooters.

SPEAKER_01:

Just murderers.

SPEAKER_02:

Like it's not like it's all bad. But if we can real selected targets is very different than school shooting. School shooting and means that's domestic terrorism. Me?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, no. That's that's domestic terrorism.

SPEAKER_02:

That's not us. We don't got that on our name. We got bad stuff on our name, but we don't got the we love a I guess we love a fair one. We love I want you fair if you run down on me. I don't think so. No, when I'm I'm putting my book and my pencil in my bag and I look up and you do real.

SPEAKER_01:

You know? I I respect it, man. I remember I got into a situation, dude. Just got out of juvie. He wanted my chicken nuggets. He let me take my glasses off. What a gentleman. He learned respect in Jubi. Yo, I'm so glad he bro, I'm so glad we didn't fight. Oh my god. He just wanted to see if I was tough. He just says I was gonna fight for my food, right? He just tested me. But after he did, he just like, nah, you could, man, you could. Then he went to the next one and got their food. So I'll wanted you to stand up for yourself.

SPEAKER_02:

That's a good valuable lesson. I don't think he wanted me to. He just didn't want it.

SPEAKER_00:

He just wanted to see who he could fuck over.

SPEAKER_02:

With the least amount of resistance. He said, I don't actually want to fight, but I do want someone's food.

SPEAKER_01:

So I do want these nuggets. They are$2, and I just don't got it. I hey, before people.

SPEAKER_02:

How would you?

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't add that$2 sometimes, too. Yeah, you know, listen, you're a kid, how could you?

SPEAKER_02:

America. America. For the kids.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I don't. Why about learning about violence right now?

SPEAKER_00:

But what do you think about the song? Can't be concrete. I think the title's cool. I think the title's harder than it's like.

SPEAKER_01:

I think the song is mad. She's not lyrical enough to make a diss track. If that's respectful. I'm just trying to be respectful, but I don't think she's lyrical enough to make a diss track. That's why nobody cared that Travis Scott made like a hump towards Pusha T. Nobody cares. You'll got the bars for this situation here.

SPEAKER_02:

Not sure when. And you know what? I I think that's why everyone was excited over the extent of the Drake and Kendrick thing, because it wasn't just them beefing at that point. Like it wasn't an all-star on time where like Chris Brown did something with Quavo. So like there was more than that coming out. And it was just like it does take a certain level of talent to be able to write disses. And that was a big part of early hip hop. That's what got a lot of people their start and got them famous. And it's cool to make pop hits in this radio shit we do now, but like when it comes down to it, making diss tracks and doing freestyles are always going to test your actual ability to be an artist.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, I I'll say this, and this goes for a Kendrick. I'm pretty sure. Do we have any Kendrick freestyles? We can't say the cipher and BET is a freestyle.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not sure. Are we talking real freestyles or the pre-vergstone? We're talking about real freestyles.

SPEAKER_01:

Then I don't know. So we don't have a real Kendrick freestyle. We don't have a real Drake freestyle. Did you see the video of Drake when he tried to do the freestyle? With the Bluetooth. That's not a real, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

He was waiting for them to send him his lyrics on his phone. The Blackberry. He's reading off of it. Bro, it was waiting for I think he's waiting for a text message because he's like, oh, restart the beat, restart the beat. And he didn't have the lyrics on his stuff. He couldn't find them. Or he was waiting for the text message for someone to send them. That's an embarrassing video.

SPEAKER_01:

I think he was just nerves, bro. I can't lie. Bro, I've had a script in sales, and I needed money. And I'm like, you know, doing a presentation in front of people. I fucked up. So I I I I I can see how people can fuck up. That pressure breaks pipes. But it doesn't matter. What I was trying to say is that like we have this barometer for what a hip hop act is, but they're not all doing it, right? So this new generation of rapper has to get back to basics. You think that's gonna make a big difference? Yeah. I think core, uh well, listen, I'm from Philly, I have a big core bias. Core can freestyle, core can drop an album with a concept, core can make party songs, he can make real songs, he can make other songs, he can make dark songs, he can make street songs. There like like this variety. Variety in skill. Big thing a lot of people don't have.

SPEAKER_00:

But how do you feel about the little Yachty song or Georgiana?

SPEAKER_01:

What do you feel about that? As far as as far as it can't be concrete, I'll give it a six. It's not a real, it's not a good diss. But Caribou and Georgiana aren't real spinners, so I don't expect much.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no. Normally, I think it's alright.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, Lil' Yachty's like, I think Lil Yachty does what Drake does as far as like collecting flows, but it's more socially acceptable.

SPEAKER_02:

Because he's a little darker.

SPEAKER_01:

Because he's dark skinned. I think that's the only difference.

SPEAKER_02:

It's not you're not a vulture if you look like us. Which is a crazy thing to say, because Drake looked like us if you know anything about black people.

SPEAKER_01:

But people were uh, hey, we could get into the Drake. Hey, yo, when I saw that shade room shit, I had to put both hands up in the air. I didn't I didn't know, like, this is how deep it is, huh?

SPEAKER_00:

If you know anything about black people, Drake looked like us.

SPEAKER_02:

But y'all just think was alright. Wasn't anything, like, I'm not not putting on replay.

SPEAKER_01:

Nah, it was forgettable as fuck, bro. I don't know. Like, I think his, you know, his features gotta stand out, but I also think he's just collecting that flow.

SPEAKER_02:

And I think I to be honest, I know he's you know, he's in his bag as an artistic person, and he's very different than your normal MC, and that is fine. I think Yachty is a lot more focused on business now than the actual art, which is fine. At some point, people make that transition, right? Do I have another 10 years in me, or do I need to start building the foundation for business now? And I think Yachty has started his foundation for business.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I mean, he cut out his homie off the podcast, right? Right. He's not dealing with no disrespect, right? And this is the problem with people, you gotta have a consistent backbone, right? Because then people aren't surprised. Right? That's why he's having all this pushback and all these issues internally, like with the caribou situation, this and that. Like if everything was concrete, see what I did there in the beginning of the foundation of these contracts, I think we have a better building.

SPEAKER_02:

Hey fam, if you're gonna be a label artist, um, if you're gonna go and make a label after you've been in a shitty deal yourself with some crappy freaking you know, label, don't be like them. I just think that's a lesson everyone should take. Don't be like them.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, bro, everybody just mirrors their oppressor. I swear to God. I see it in every single major artist. Somebody fucked me over. I gotta fuck somebody else. I gotta it's just business.

SPEAKER_02:

And like that's why business. Like, that's why I want it's one of the reasons, side tangent, that like I really like LaRussell because of the way he is very transparent about the business deals that have been offered to him. He's made a year or two ago, maybe about something that happened when he was like being sent like an invoice from like Jay-Z's team about something where they done missed a few numbers, and he was like, Hey, if he didn't catch that and he signed that, they wasn't gonna correct it. Missing a few digits from this, you know, and he could be like, Hey, that's someone on your team, but like this is representing you. There are people consistently doing bad business. You could choose to be them or you could choose to not.

SPEAKER_01:

Bro, it's so crazy, like the amount of bad faith people operate in in a business space, but they also depend on people, right? Like every major label depends on every fucking artist. But they disrespect them time and time again. It's the on them. We gotta set up, you know, real unions, real labor, right? But like that takes everybody giving a fuck and everybody getting paid properly and everybody being respected. I think a lot of people are looking for a sense of domination and power that didn't exist or happened to them, which won't change anything. Like, I remember I had a I had a big issue with like somebody in my family, right? Like, I was like, oh man, when I get big, I'm I'm I'm gonna stand up to you, da-da-da, right? I I get big, but they get hurt. Right? They're hurt. They can't, they can't do none of that shit anymore. Any of those ideas and all those, oh, well, you told me what to do. One day I'm gonna get big. Got big and I realized a lot of people and a lot of men are trying to get back wins you can't get back.

SPEAKER_02:

You can't get back.

SPEAKER_01:

You can't get that shit back. I took it off.

SPEAKER_02:

It's not gonna make you, it's not gonna make you. You think it will make you feel better, but it is not going to heal whatever you need it healing. And if you have to depend on taking revenge to be healed, you're not gonna be. Like, that's not gonna heal that for you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's how niggas turn into Sasuke. That's where they want to take everybody's eyes and shit, bro. Yeah, it's just that's when they want to leave the village and shit. You know what I'm saying, bro?

SPEAKER_02:

And you don't gotta do all that. You don't gotta do all that. Sasuke cut his friends off who's trying to tell them this ain't the way. I gotta get it on my own. He's and where did I end up?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, nah, you stand up with a rochimaru.

SPEAKER_02:

You end up getting taken advantage of by somebody who sees that you're hurt, and some people got a friend like Naruto who's gonna stick it through to the end and bring you back, and some people don't. You just end up with Rochimaru.

SPEAKER_01:

And as we speak about Orochimaru, we gotta think about his real life counterpart. Diddy. His birthday has just passed. See, that's why I wanted to talk about Diddy, man. Like Diddy, Orochimaru, Orochimaru, Diddy, they're the same person. They're the same person. No, no, did it. They're the same person as you're talent, little bro. I see what you got. I like what you got, man. I like wait, wait. That's what the dude to get out said. He's like, I like your eye. Yeah. He wasn't talking about like his color of his eye, like how he sees the world. I want what you got. I'm gonna get it. But no, Big Diddy's in jail. His birthday passed, people are people are celebrating, some are celebrating, some are upset. They're celebrating his birthday? Or celebrating his birthday? No, so somebody some people are celebrating him in jail. Some people are celebrating his birthday like his fucking kids. Right?

SPEAKER_00:

And that's his kids. Like hey, that's pops. You know? Okay, do you think they were raised?

SPEAKER_02:

I'm trying to find the right word, not admonish, but just like be like, hey, yo, dad or not, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, here's the thing we don't know how he raised them. Correct. That is a big fucking factor here, right? In which they could be raised where their morality's different, their characters different, and behind closed doors, they'd be like, Dad, that was funny as shit. Yeah, do it again. Or he could have raised them up to be like that, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Right, and they have been a world very different than us, right? Yeah, we live amongst normal people. So when we see certain things that are abnormal, we're like, yo, you should have known better. But if you live in a world where, like, no, you see people a certain way and people around you behave a certain way, that's your normal.

SPEAKER_01:

So you right. That's what I'm saying. Like, look at how we grew up versus how somebody we we would know grew up, like somebody else who grew up in a stable environment, right? Like, that shit's very foreign. Our rules are different, our morality is different, our character is different in certain situations. So, like, it should be universal. But I don't know what he put into his kids, right? Two of them are underage, two of them are adults. No, three of them are adults. Is it two or three? Yeah, two sons or three. I'm pretty sure it's three. All three of his sons are grown. That means he he could have forged all types of shit.

SPEAKER_02:

He's young groomed their narrative, right? Probably, of what it is to be a man, how women are in the world, and then once again, I can't sit here and tell these people their reality is wrong because when you are in a position with a certain amount of certain amount of money in certain industries, you do have people act different towards you than normal people. So, as a normal person, I'm like, well, that's how people act in a normal situation. You can't act like that towards them. But in their environment, they might be surrounded by snakes everywhere. And this is just how you treat people. I'm a snake, you a snake, and we snake each other out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, you never know, right? You see that show secession, like people with money still have issues. It's just that money is not the issue anymore. People. Now it now is people. Yeah, it's people, it's their emotions, they're whatever, you know. Immorals, it's like, oh, we are moral, but like that's not a human over there. That's a that's that's what I'm saying. Like, as you make money and as I make money. I feel like I'm never gonna lose the aspect of when I didn't have it. Because that's how I started. When somebody started with that silver spoon and they get more silver, it ain't changing. But there's no need to grow. I already succeeded with my path. Why why would I listen to you? You know?

SPEAKER_02:

People are, once again, they're set up for life. They live in a world where they could not interact with normal people for the rest of their life, and they'd be okay. They grown. We not changing them.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. But um, yeah, 50 went at him. A lot of people went at him and all this and that. But I think I what I really want to see is when he comes out, how people act.

SPEAKER_02:

What celebrities are I care less about the celebrity reactions. I think black people are gonna celebrate him getting out the same way black people for defending him during his whole court case.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, for sure. Because certain black people like assign themselves, and this is in a lot of groups, right? This is white people, Hispanic people, any group. They think if they associate and assign their mentality to rich people and be they will become it. They will forego their own character and co-op any character that the rich person has. That's how you have people who are learning poor on food stamps, are going against food stamps right now. Like I'm I'm dead ass. I I worked at a market. Like I worked at a market in a small town. I know who's coming to get that and who's using food stamps. And initially it shattered a narrative in my own mind.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Because I was gonna tell you. Undocumented, and it's like, yo, you gotta look like everyone wants to use statistics, so they're not on their side. 70% of that ain't us. But no, you're right. It it is, I mean, it disgusts me to watch poor or un people who are not well off defend billionaires and millionaires and all this stuff like that. But yeah, as people who are defending Diddy are of the opinion, right? And this is when they conflate ideas. Is there an attack against successful black men? Yes, that has historically been the case in America. That does not mean we need to defend every successful black man just because they're black, because yeah, they're still people and they still do wrong. Like it's you gotta separate those two things.

SPEAKER_01:

People I think we have to separate wealth from excellence. Just because you have money and you are black doesn't mean you're black excellence. Yes, I believe black excellence starts with your character and ends with your actions. Everything else is this fluff. We've been saying Beyonce, Jay-Z, all these fucking people are black excellence. Marcy still fucking exists.

SPEAKER_02:

And speaking of that, because the the biggest the two biggest prospects that have been advertised towards black people have been a form of entertainment, whether it's music, comedy, something else, and then it's been sports. And it's harder to control the sports, but we have had a position to be in control of our own music, and I will I don't think I'll ever forgive the way title went down with Jay-Z. That was an opportunity.

SPEAKER_01:

Jay-Z and others like him do not really want to see black advancement, they want to see advancement for themselves and their wealth.

SPEAKER_02:

Because even if it was slow, even if it was slow to grow, even if it wasn't perfect, title was supposed to be ours.

SPEAKER_01:

If he was actually legit in his business and not shopping the shit immediately, immediately after all those artists signed. That's why Nicki Minaj has so many fucking problems with him now. Yeah, because then he he then went and sold title. Yes. So like there's nothing really to talk about. It's nothing excellent. If you take wealth from your community and give it to somebody else and enrich yourself, you're not part of Black Excellence. It's stop it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So I I don't think it's like.

SPEAKER_02:

The people who have our best stuff in mind are the people who usually don't even have the assets or the the resources, but they have the effort and the will. And it's like, somehow we gotta get those people in position to actually be making these decisions because if someone who actually cared about a community was in that position to be in control of title, like once again, even if the platform was smaller than Spotify and Apple. I wouldn't care. It would we would use it, you would have the support, but you also can't do what I see a lot of black businesses do. Just because you are black, you cannot go and ask for a premium that would not have been paid otherwise, right? So if Apple Music is$15 and you can make a black platform, you can't charge$35 a month, right? So you can't go not saying that Tyler's doing that, but I've seen that in other things, right? We want to support black clothing. Hey, but remember, not everyone comes from means. So who are you advertising for? Rich black people or the collective? You can't go make shirts and swamp for$60 when the average black person, you know, who's not well off, is buying shirts for$20. You can't just say, Well, I'm black. You go buy polo for 60. Why won't you go buy this for 60? I get the argument, but that's not our situation.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, brand recognition and brand building, like people inflate that shit all the time. You're not polo, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

You're you're you are buying Louie, but you won't buy us this. You don't have 200 years of history. Whether I'm not saying it's good or bad, but you have to You have to have a reputation, gotta get there. You gotta get there. You can't just assume that shit. Being black is not a marketing strategy, that's not a marketing strategy.

SPEAKER_01:

That is not going to be but that's what they told us, bro. We've been bought and sold so much, it's conditioned.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, people love black culture, but they don't sell it as black culture for the premium. Okay, because when you sell the black culture, it has a lower price. They repackage it after it's commoditized and they sell it as something else. That's the premium. We can make our own black premium, but that will eventually come through something else, which is why I'm also this is not necessarily music, but like all these black fashion icons who then go and become directors for Louis Vuitton and directors for all this and that, and it's like you guys literally should go have your own clothing. You guys ASAP, Pharrell, a couple of these other guys, there's no reason that you collectively do not go and make your own brand brand.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what's happening? What you're the most specialist, most fashionist, most stylish black person ever. Yeah, they are fond over and they feel special and unique outside of the culture, right? When you're coming up, because it is you are outside of the culture if you're into certain fashion styles, dead ass. Like, yeah. So I'm sure ASAP had to fight over what type of shirt he had when he was a young boy, right? Because that's another negative of the culture. That's another thing.

SPEAKER_02:

That's an American thing, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. With ASAP, Pharrell, and all of them, they have to stop being happy being the best black person in the room. That doesn't do shit for you. Especially if you're the only black person in the room. If you're if you're the best black person in the room and it's 10 other dudes of different races, you lost, you still lost. Hey, how about this? John Jones, one of the best fighters in the world, black guy. If you put 10 Dagestani fighters in his weight class in the same, they don't even have to have the same skill level. Numbers matter at the end of the day. Camaraderie matters, morality matters, morale matters. Like, morale and them, they just export out of the culture. Yes. Like they're just exporting.

SPEAKER_02:

They're not importing anything back. And they, it is one thing, right? If I'm a guy, I went to college, didn't even have a lot of money, I didn't have a 15-year career prior, and Louis Vuitton sits me up like, hey, we want to make you an executive. It's 500k a year, you know, lead our designs and fashion and our runaway shows. Yeah, I'm gonna take that check. You motherfuckers are millionaires. You don't need that check necessarily, and that check you're taking today is nothing compared to the check you could get in 10 years by building something for us that is luxury, premium, and designed and sent to the world.

SPEAKER_01:

So you probably won't ever have another Fubu, bro. Because even the dude who ran FooBoo, as soon as he got to a certain level, he's out of and but you know, and that was the crazy thing.

SPEAKER_02:

We had Fubu, Rock Aware. Like, we had, I mean, even Wayne had his clothes and stuff for a while, and I've had Rock Aware stuff, and I've had Fubu stuff. And and a lot of these brands that are not weren't popular before are becoming bigger. Like, even like I'm I'm thinking of clothes that a lot of people used to wear, right? Like, you know, not everyone could afford Nike and Adidas. So a lot of black people used to wear Champion and uh Reebok. Now, Reebok's popular again, and that's thanks to Shaq and stuff. Champion, a champion cost as much as anything Nike has. It's the same thing. Shorts, sweaters, t-shirts, champion is the same, but it took poor people wearing it because you were the Walmart brand and you were cheaper, and people bought it, and now that it was cool because people were wearing it, now you're charging a premium.

SPEAKER_00:

You have to you have to put in the time. You have to put in the time.

SPEAKER_01:

Speaking of putting it in the time, it's Sis's birthday. She also says she likes to play whatever music she plays on her set list. People are asking her why she's playing Rich Baby Daddy on the Grand National tour. She pointed out Kendrick still does poetic justice, people just still still do good music that they contributed to. But um I I think she was being very obtuse in this. I think it was uh kind of like the Sydney Sweeney situation where we know what the fuck you did, and we want to know why you did it.

SPEAKER_02:

Hey, yo, we're gonna get back to a quick comment on Sydney Sweeney. I was on threads, which God, that's a horrible black form. But there was a lady claiming to be black, don't know, whatever. She's like, you know, as a black woman who has children, I just see a young woman here who just didn't know. You know, she's young and and she's not trying to get involved in these controversial things. And I'm like, if Cindy Swinney's 28. Gotta stop and socialization of women, especially white women.

SPEAKER_01:

White women get infinite. Yeah, they they are all children at a certain age, like, like, perspective-wise, that's why we go and find them on the back of the milk carton. Like that, they have been the ultimate victim throughout history, at least American.

SPEAKER_02:

Sydney Sweeney was given an opportunity to say, even during this political climate and the tensions that are here in America that never disappear, I chose to go ahead with that ad and I made that decision. And I'm not a racist. I just wanted to do an ad for the money. She could have said that. Instead, when the lady said, You want to talk about a cause that you care about because you know the racial tension in your advertisement, she said, When I got something to talk about that I care about, I'll do it and you'll know. And I need everyone to treat it like that's what she said. That's what she said.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, we gotta take it at face value, right? Because that's what she that's what she provided. He could have expounded, she could have gave us more.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm not racist, I just did it for the bag. No, she said, yo, when there's something I care about, I'll let you know. Racism, that's not it.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't it doesn't uh it doesn't affect her, right? The history behind it, the previous ad. Like, just let's just go off of the previous ad and the history behind it. Why would you redo something like that when the shorty was underage? It was a whole thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it was a whole thing around the last time. Wait, what was her previous ad? No, no, no, not her. Oh, well, City Sweeney, she also had this ad where she was doing, she was selling her bath water, like some type of soap. Oh. Yeah. Weird, weird shit. Weird shit. She sold soap with a hole in it. I'm not joking. Nah. I'm dead ass. Weird shit. You can't you can't get you can't come back from that. So I think she's an instrument for other powers, bro. Which is cool. That's why Zedeya don't want to do the the media shit.

SPEAKER_00:

I heard about that, but you you you know what I saw?

SPEAKER_02:

It said we've historically ignored the fact that the same traits that intoxic white men that women say they hate white women have weaponized through white men so they don't get their hands dirty.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's how a lot of them move whenever they're doing anything.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I'm not this way, I'm not blah, blah, blah, I'm this and that. But you can weaponize it, whether it's for profit or to enact your own will or through violence, you're enabling these behaviors, and then you can go and claim innocence because you didn't do it, right? So by doing these ads in a climate where right now we have, you know, propped up neo-Nazis who want to feel justified in their ideologies, you can go back. I just did an ad. I didn't tell these people that they're right in their thought process that they're superior to others. I'm talking about genes.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, we gotta have a certain level of media literacy, especially if you're an actor or actress. We know that. They know this. We all know this, right? So I honestly, this is a slap in the face to anybody intelligent, right? Yeah. Because if you can understand the history of anything, you understand why or why not to do it, why there's a stigma behind black men wearing dresses, and why I probably wouldn't do it if I was to choose myself. But entertainers gotta stop that. Well, well, here's the thing Robin Williams had a bunch of movies, like nobody gave a fuck about Mr. Outfare. But like, it's different.

SPEAKER_02:

But it wasn't a historical context to that being emasculating into white men.

SPEAKER_01:

That that's what I'm saying. So, like, there's freedom there, but if somebody does do it, then they gotta stand on why they did it. Like, all right, I did it for this reason.

SPEAKER_02:

Like Kevin Hart even said just tell me you did it for a check, and I'll be like, I'm like, all right, bro. Don't be like I just, you know, whatever. I didn't think it was gonna be that way or no, no, no. Felt this way. You know, just because now you're dumb. Tell me you intelligently was like, yo, I know how this looks. They said, here's the check. And I was like, fuck it, it's for five minutes. But don't be like, yeah, I didn't know this would affect my people this way, and I didn't know I'd be continuing a legacy of emasculating black men and bringing us down and this. No, you knew what you did and you did it for a check, and I would respect that a little more than ignorance.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I feel you on that. How do you feel about this shit with Scizor, though? You think she's just like dodging this shit?

SPEAKER_02:

No, Sizza Sciza, so this goes back to Sizza knows what she's doing, and we need to stop treating artists. Because once again, if a male artist did this, that's we know by now. Because he's he's not keeping it P, he switches sides, he's playing both sides, he's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Y'all are in this same space. So you're a hip-hop artist, you're an RB artist, you are in the black culture space of music, you're not just a regular alt pop artist that has nothing to do with us, and you were brought up in that space, so you understand the narrative and the lenses on how this looks. So, once again, just say I'm making money on both ends, and I don't care that they're beefing instead of being ignorant. Like, don't be like, Oh, I don't see the problem with this. You do see that there is a problem, but just say you're doing it for the money. That is okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Speaking of doing it for the money, RBX, a cousin of Snoop Dogg, is suing U of G talking about streams, and there's a streaming farm. You don't know about the situation. So um, yeah, so so there's some streaming farms going on, and this artist, RBX, he's a cousin of Snoop Dogg. He's suing Spotify because of these farms. He says he's found the data and this and that, right? So suing's not cool.

SPEAKER_02:

And suing a company because they're promoting someone else's music over yours also ain't cool. Because that's what you told Drake.

SPEAKER_01:

I thought this wasn't hip-hop, right? This is Snoop Dogg's cousin as well. So I'm trying to figure it out. Like, I'm trying to figure out when Drake is black, when it is hip-hop, and when is it okay to file a lawsuit? Because this is crazy. And he mentions Drake's name because he's gotten all his success because of botting. After Spotify has done their sweeps, his numbers haven't gone down. Other people have gone down, his other contemporaries have gone down.

SPEAKER_02:

Everybody's and if this is like this is not just Spotify, this is a botting situation across multiple different forms of media, music, television, other like we're in a network-wide sweep on botting, but you are watching your favorite artist's numbers go down. Drake is the number one, but once again, people are gonna support this because it's no dog's cousin. But this is a case to be used against Drake using a streaming platform for botting. But when Drake is coming at Um G for manipulating the streams against him, that's not cool. But if it's HIPAA, and using Drake as the opposition in a lawsuit because a medium or a company is using botting and streams, then that's bad. They're bad. Why would you do this? This is why we were saying a year ago, over a year ago, it is important for Drake to win this lawsuit because then when anyone else is a lawsuit against these large companies when it comes to these streams and manipulation of streams, radio, anything, there's a precedent for them to win. You want Drake to lose, everyone is going to lose. Snoop Dogg's cousin don't get Drake money. Snoop Dogg doesn't have Drake money.

SPEAKER_01:

So where do we Snoop Dogg's cousin case isn't gonna go anywhere? It's gonna get dismissed probably harsher and faster than Drake's case, and with more penalties on top of it. Like they're gonna they're gonna bake in some shit. You can't accuse your label if you do that. Like, they're gonna they're gonna contracts are going to get bad. Contracts are gonna get fucking bonkers, and you guys are all clapping when UMG got the case dismissed. Now, Spotify's on the chopping block, but they're not really because you you know GMG owns.

SPEAKER_02:

Um they have a they have a new deal. We're gonna recreate new ways for artists to increase revenue. Spotify is about to fuck over their artists and their subscribers based off of the new ways that Spotify intends to monetize music in a partnership. Shit deal with Umg. These are the biggest two players, I want to say, in terms of reaching the audience. It's not Apple Music, it's not Interscope. It's not like it is UMG. It is Spotify and what they bring to the table. And after Drake loses this lawsuit, it's going to be over for a long time. It's not going to be forever, but for a long time. Y'all gonna be on the back end of a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

And please don't tell me you care about the artists now. Don't tell me you care about streams embodying because it's been reported and it's accurate. There was some body going on as far as Kendrick's team doing not like us. Joe Biden talked about it. So many people talked about it. Everybody was blatant and saying that that's what happens. Those the information on Kendrick's contract was redactic as fuck for a reason. There's some information in there, it's probably pertinent. But let's talk about the shade room, and this is why I don't like the shade room. I hate that place. The shade room is probably one of the biggest distractions for the black community present on social media.

SPEAKER_02:

Because they care about drama for drama's sake, and it is inter like their content, their market is inter turmoil in the black community as far as celebrities.

SPEAKER_01:

Turmo, tragedy, and divisiveness. Now I speak about that because throw Drake. The Shade Room has asked his followers if Drake and Adele are invited to the cookout. I'm gonna let you go first.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm gonna let you go first.

SPEAKER_01:

Right, that I understand how some people were slaves. Right? Like, I get it. Right? Like you wanna be this person's friend that bad that you would destroy anybody that has a thought outside of you. It's all about uniformity in a prescribed version of blackness that wasn't prescribed to us. Also, the owner of the shade room, if I'm incorrect, I'm pretty sure she's not FBA. I'm pretty sure she's like first or second generation of African lineage, which is not a problem, but is an issue within the Despore. Why is a second generation or first generation African speaking on FBA and who's uh invited to a cookout, right?

SPEAKER_02:

You want to uh break that down for the I know what it means, but you want to tell the viewers.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, FBA is a foundational black American. The civil rights, how we started. We've been in every war. We're the reason you get to come over here. We opened up immigration, we opened up everybody that's talking shit about us. You couldn't even be here if we didn't go and march and we didn't go and do this. And our movement here changed the entire world.

unknown:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

People come in and dress like us and then tell us we're doing something wrong. We have to stop this bullshit. I won't even give it credence asking if Drake is invited to a cookout. His dad is a music legend, a legend, and his uncle is too. Black music, by the way. Foundational artists, by the way.

SPEAKER_02:

In Memphis, right? So we talk, we want to talk about four places, right? Because there's big music centers in the U.S., right? But we're no like Memphis is a big spot for black people, as well as if we want to talk about, you know, California, we want to talk about New York, we want to talk about Atlanta. Like that's a that's a central spot in the middle of the U.S. So it's not like he was just in some random corner in fucking Nebraska making music for like white people. Like it's a hard-earned place to make music for black people and be recognized and respected. My take on it is two things. One, as you said, people need to stop subscribing to this slave mentality of what a black person should be and what should it look like. Drake is a black person. If we're once again, if we're not gonna count black, black covers a lot range of colors. And if we're gonna say, well, Drake's, you know, he's mixed looking, he's light skinned, not a black person. I'm sorry, there's a bunch of other mixed people. We're gonna say they're not black, we're gonna say J. Cole's not black, too. We're gonna say those other artists aren't black. Two, it does no benefit to the black cause to disrespect white people who have also stood up, because I don't know if people know, yes, black people have fought for their freedom, but black people have also fought for their freedom through their own efforts and through the efforts of white people who have also supported. And so when you have someone as big as Adele who has through her career supported black women, especially in the field and has made it a point to recognize and respect, why are we trying to antagonize? I think that is also not beneficial to the culture because there's plenty of people who hate us and are in opposition to us. I'm not saying we have to be praising Adele, but why are we randomly bringing her in here to drag her along with Drake?

SPEAKER_01:

What is that? Because she's dating a black man, David Rich Paul. Okay. And there's narratives around that, right? I'm in an interracial relationship, right? And when a black girl sees me, you're not black. There's some narratives around me, bro. Your mom and your sister. Right, right. There's some narratives around me, right? And that's like the first year of me dating uh my girl. I was like, wow, I've never experienced this before. It was it was crazy because nobody was interested when I when I was fucking around being an idiot. Like, don't care for my life or well-being. Hey, man, no, you holding it down. You holding it down, brother. You hey, you know man. As soon as I get a shirty and she happens to not be of my group, it's an issue.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, my only my one and only take on that is people should be with people who love and respect them, regardless of their color, race, or religion. And if you have enough hate in your heart to wish someone to be removed from that situation because it doesn't fit your narrative of what their relationship and life should be like, you should spend more time on yourself. So if people are having an issue with Adele because she's with a black man, although Adele has spent much of her career respecting and being a voice for black women as a white woman, also not even an American. Isn't Adele from like the UK or something? She doesn't even have to deal with our problems, and she makes it a point to assist in American black women issues. Y'all are pointing y'all's issues at the wrong person, go drag somebody else. Go drag Taylor Swift, go drag Sydney Sweeney, go literally go drag somebody else and then leave. Like, once again, if you have issues with Drake, Drake's not perfect. There are plenty of other things we can talk about for Drake to be a problem. My issue is trying to point at Drake's blackness just because you don't, because you have a narrative of what Drake should be as a black person that is forever going to keep black people down.

SPEAKER_01:

Nobody cares that like Drake has been like a serial misogynist for like 20 years.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, bro, like I know we've talked about other people, but like all he does, like Drake might be one of the biggest womanizers in the industry. But you know what's crazy? Because when we were going through the beat, remember all the videos of the women who were like, oh yeah, like we support Kendrick, all the women were Kendrick fans all of a sudden. We didn't even listen to Drake's music, blah blah blah. But if you go through their pages, when y'all are posting videos to Drake's music, y'all are dancing at Drake's music, y'all posted Drake, y'all follow Drake, y'all like his videos. Y'all are Drake fans at heart, and you don't have the balls to be able to just stand by that side, but you're like, oh no, no, Kendra, this, can Drick this, Drake stop.

SPEAKER_01:

Bro, all that stopped when Nokia came out. Oh, this is a ball.

SPEAKER_02:

But we're gonna listen to this.

SPEAKER_01:

I love Nokia. Like, there that is. When some sexy songs for you came out, the entire narrative and that and that's the great thing about Drake, right? Like, he has the ability. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, the conversation totally changed after that. Like, because we talk about music after the beef. Like, we got GNX and we got some sexy songs for you. I like some sexy songs for you more. Just because it has more replayability. I mean, I don't think GNX was anywhere close to Kendrick's best rapping or ability.

SPEAKER_02:

No. GNX to me, I don't know what I write it before, and if I think about it now, you know, after, right? Because what Gin didn't GX come out last, like October or something like that? Yeah. So yeah, so I'm like, I'm gonna give like to me now, Gen X is sitting at like uh seven. And there's a couple songs, like the top of my head, you have Luther, you have Matt at the Garden, and there's like maybe like two more. But I still don't think it was a good play by Kendrick, and like it's good for going on tour and stuff like that, but Drake is still going to be the one who is going to reign as far as rap music today, and that has not changed. And this this beef, I know it was pivotal and important to most people. Like, oh, this is the best beef we've seen since like freaking Tupac and Biggie, right? Like, that's what they're thinking. But like Drake is going to have a career after this, he's not going nowhere.

SPEAKER_01:

The business is the business, man. But let's talk about Rod Wave, your boy. He got arrested. Yeah, seen that, I seen that. He gotta have security and some shit. I just wish young artists stopped whatever shit they was into before, whatever masculinity you thought you had. You are too gotta get out of that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

You are too, and they'll make songs about it, right? Like, like Rod Wave's made songs about it, Herbos made songs about it, right? You're like, oh, you know, like police chases and getting caught with guns in the car and stuff like that. And it's like, you are at a position. You could he got nominated for his song on Sinners. Yep. The day he got arrested, like it just you're nominated for a Grammy. You were at a height in your career that most artists do not reach, and it is not worth it to play these games you played when you were trying to escape a struggle while you're in your position.

SPEAKER_00:

Nah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

You actually don't care.

SPEAKER_01:

I completely agree, man. Like, Rod Wave gotta tighten up. That's the only thing I can say. Like, you, your team, everybody could take a break, take five minutes.

SPEAKER_02:

You should get your license for your guns. Like, yo, go. Yo, y'all riding with drugs, put the drugs in the other car. The drugs shouldn't be in your car. The license for the guns, if there's a gun, whoever got the license for that should be in your car. The unlicensed ones should be in the other car. Okay, I'm not saying you can't have them, but you gotta go. Don't have it near you. Yo, that was in that. That wasn't in mine. That was in theirs. You're the one who can pay the bell. If you go to jail and you get locked up for life and something happened to you, your team, your family, everybody you say you want to take care of, that's gone.

SPEAKER_00:

It's done. How do you feel about this Kanye shit, bro? He he has apologized. He is sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

I think all this shit is weird little rituals they have behind the closed doors. I think Kanye's about to be doing some things, trying to make some money in mainstream America. I think he's done with Kanye was doing outrage content and media and music before anybody else was. Like before, I'm pretty sure before there's a MAGA artist that came out after, right? He was making a song about hanging and everything like that, like stream music, low f low, low frequency music. Kanye started that. He started that. He was making outrage music.

SPEAKER_00:

So here's how I think about it.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you think you start? Kanye is mentally not well.

SPEAKER_02:

I am familiar with people who are mentally not well. And for themselves, being on medicine sucks. But for the public and everyone around them, being on medicine is great because they are controlled. I think it is going to be very hard for Kanye to live the life that he lives at the height of fame that he lives, and being a celebrity without being on medicine, that is also not going to be well for Kanye. So I think that this is a like the even the rabbi that he was doing that apologizing to is like a YouTube rabbi, right? Like is he's a popular YouTube rabbi rabbi. I think for Kanye to be digestible again, he's going to have to get back on his medicine. But for Kanye's own sanity, because remember how Kanye was when he was first taking the medicine and he was quiet and no one's here about him. He was big again. He was looking like he was just but that I know that's hard for people who have those issues. I think Kanye is only going to be well again mentally if he just stopped being famous. If we want Kanye to be digestible, if we want Kanye to make music that people like again and it's not Nazi shit, we want Kanye to be able to go out in public with a woman who's not naked and chilling her out and doing weird stuff. Kanye's gonna get on meds again. Like that's my own, that's that's my take on that. As far as this, I think he might be starting his meds again. I don't know how long it'll last because he doesn't like being on them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Like that time, and that's when he makes all his music, and then he gets off of it, but back on the meds. But hey man, I wish him the best. I want him to do better. That's about it. But he's doing that shit. Blueface is out. Immediately back on this bullshit. Uh he's beefing with both of the shirties, so there you go. But I don't know if this shit is planned, calculated, or it's just the bullshit. You feel me?

SPEAKER_02:

Even if it was planned and calculated, Blueface and what's her name? Krishan or whatever her name is. I think they are a part of the stereotypical black experience that is being commodized, and I don't think that there is a place for them going forward in hip-hop because that's not what we need.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And uh Krishan's not a sob story, neither is Blueface. There's two willy participating adults. How do you feel about this Alice Andrew situation? She got found guilty of manslaughter. She set up Fulio when he got popped and he got murdered.

SPEAKER_02:

So this is the third time of this podcast. I'm gonna say the infantilization of women. This woman sent his location to people so that they can go rob and kill him. And so she should be charged with first degree murder. Getting sent with manslaughter is a lesser crime, as the one who organized and set up a plot to get a man killed.

SPEAKER_01:

She set it up. The only reason he's dead is because of what she did. Yes. So she has to do some time. Serious time. And for the ladies out there, when you start getting other men involved, right? You think this dude's like this or that dude's like that. You are setting them up to either go to jail because the people she hit up went to jail anyway. Yes. Or get killed. Or get killed. So, young men, please stop getting these geo tags. Please stop sliding. Nothing's gonna change. Yo, no amount of sliding, robbing, shooting, dope selling, none of that shit's gonna change where you're at. The only way to change where you're at is to change your mindset. And if you don't change your mindset, you are going to die there. And actually, they don't care if you die either. Like I want to walk back the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_02:

But I want to walk back what I said earlier because I was saying it's a popular thing that people forget that white women do this. Women do this. Yeah. This isn't shit talking women. Women have women know how to extend their will of violence through men. And they will utilize that. And men, you need to be aware, the amount of men in jail because their mothers and their sisters put them in positions to extend violence onto other men because of decisions that they have made is outrageous. And as men, you were not less of a man for telling that woman, I'm not going to do that, or I'm going to do this, or what led to the stage. Like finding out the context of a situation before you decide, oh, I'm going to go slice it, slide on this guy, or I'm going to go pull up at his crib, or I'm going to go rob him because some girl you like told you to go do this, or some girl you're messing with, stuff like that. Right? There's a difference between defending someone who's in a situation and being put in a situation you have no business being in because some girl got an argument with a guy. Or because of this and that. Or she felt dis or she felt disrespected. And now you got to go handle a situation. You need to know better because it is very easy. And you were conditioned as a guy to fall for the tears of women, and they're very, very there's a lot of men in jail for life, some of them, because they were put in positions to extend violence that a woman herself would not do to another man through you. And that's not okay.

SPEAKER_01:

People have to take a deep, deep, deep breath and assess. And I know we all come like if I'm talking to people from the trenches, right? This is where we come from, right? It's that bad, right? Like shit is going on, and you do have to react to everything real, real fast, right? You gotta get in front of things. It feels like I felt like I was just reacting for a long time of my life, right? And I didn't really set up or pre-plan most things. But once I started, shit got easier. So I think that's the biggest thing is starting that process, right? Like starting to think longer before you make a decision. Because, like, and I'm not trying to be mean to people, but the way we grew up and the decision making we are taught and learned is meant to keep us impoverished. You have to drop those things. Correct. Like, I used to think if you if somebody disrespected you and you didn't crash out, you are our bitch. You're a bitch. Yeah, that's what they tell you. You're a bitch. Yeah, that's what they told you. And now I'm like, wait, what if he has a fucking family? What if he has you know what I'm saying? What if he has all these other things going on? What if he doesn't even want to fight for it?

SPEAKER_02:

What about my? Am I going to go to jail and not be able to provide for my family? All these dudes crashing out, they're going to jail for life. You got a family? Guess where your girl's going? Because now she got another man she depends on because you wanted to crash out. So you felt another man disrespected you.

SPEAKER_01:

And then the shirty you went to jail for, she started dealing with somebody else. You come out, catch another case because you're dealing with someone else. I've seen this shit. Like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

As soon as you come home, she and Bill, another man, you shoot them both. Now you and Jeff Alice.

SPEAKER_01:

They're kid. And the situation started when he was 18. He never learned shit.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

But crazy. Hopefully, people learn from the situation. I see NL Lee Chopper. He's learning somewhat. He's also doing some fuckery. Dissend NVA, young boy. He's an interesting dude. He's an interesting kid. I wasn't a kid. He's an interesting man. He has some things going. I think he's going to a positive place, which I want to, you know, promote and respect. But is it going to be stinet? Is it going to be consistent? Is he going to revert? I mean, listen, I saw his interview. He's doing that Dennis King's thing with uh Jonathan Majors, a bunch of other people, right? They're going back and forth about the Bible. And you know, Lee's getting corrected, but you can tell, like, his aggression and masculinity. He felt like, yo, what I said is what I said. Stop trying to tell me something different, right? And you know what?

SPEAKER_02:

It is hard to change. And I respect him for even being in that position to be there for that conversation. And I think that's how we change younger men, artists, whatever, right? Like, you have to be in a space. You're not going to agree. You also may not be happy when you leave that space, but you have to be okay being in situations where people you disagree with or confrontation where the end result was it did not result in violence. Y'all walked away into that meeting, and y'all kept it moving.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's a that's the thing I I had to, and I'm still learning how to do, right? Like when I was younger, and even up until even when I was in LA, it's just city culture, right? Enough words equals a fight. Right? So like I I'd be arguing, but I'm like, get ready. Like I have the adrenaline, like I'm about to get into something. It's not, it's not that. You know what I'm saying? I argue, I can argue at work and I'm like getting up. I'm like, whoa, this is not real. But that's how much your nervous system remembers that shit, bro. Like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

That's that back to what I was saying before. That is your experience around people with similar mentalities. So that was normal. Other people you're having a conversation with, they're like, what are you doing? That's not they're like to them, they're like, it's not normal for someone to fight over this conversation. People from different environments, and you have to be able to be around people of different environments. So I think that it's a good thing that he's doing that. I think that's something I can have for a lot of artists. I think that's something we can take to deal with these YNs or out just out air while in about. And it's just like, okay, have y'all actually been in an environment where out people that are like you, so that you could actually learn that not every situation has to be dealt with the way you think it has to be dealt with.

SPEAKER_01:

I think a lot of these young bulls are inherited beef. They like 13, they inherited a beef or they blocked. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02:

This is my block. This we gotta do this because we had that for bro 20 years ago. You weren't alive. You weren't alive.

SPEAKER_01:

Why are we I never good? I never understood like certain hood shit, right? But like there was a fight going on across the street. Now, the same guy I mentioned in the beginning saw me again. He knows I will fight, so he's like, hey man, you want to join into this big brawl? Come on over. I said, hey, my mom. Yeah. My mom needs me home. Like, you gotta make those choices. And the next day I did have to deal with the shit, right? Like, why you why you why you fight for no reason? We were fighting for no reason. Why are you joining?

SPEAKER_02:

Yo, and then when they say like no reason, it's like, bro, what are you? Like, I was watching a chat, I was watching a video, someone was on a context video on Chicago gangs, and they were doing the backstore Oblock. And I was like, yo, I never even knew this is why I was called Oblock, which is also a very recent thing within like the last 15, maybe like 2008 or 2009, I think, is somewhere around the time is when it got called Oblock. It wasn't always OBLOC. And it's just like six, seven years ago. Y'all are fighting over things that were you were put into the situation, right? A neighborhood gang from a different part of the city, their neighborhood got destroyed, closed down, whatever, and all of them people moved over to your neighborhood, and then y'all had conflict. This is an issue from the city, but now y'all are gangs fighting over it. Now y'all can't even cross this street without getting shot at. Now y'all naming neighborhoods and streets after certain people who got killed, and now y'all got an eternal rivalry over these three streets. That's something that don't got to do with you. You gotta fuck. That's like, yeah, that's just crazy. And now he got killed in this situation. Now we're gonna cross 63rd. You go over there, that's where they over there dealing drugs and game banging. And if we come over here, we shooting across the street. Cause they got kicked out their neighborhood, because the city does some screwed up shit. Like, y'all have to. If someone would sit y'all down and like, oh yo, this is why they're here, and this is why y'all are in conflict, y'all like, yo, I don't have to hate these people.

SPEAKER_01:

First of all, I think a lot of these young bulls aren't really like that for real. Like, when they go to jail, they don't know how to fight, and things happen to them, right? We don't we don't talk about the shit that happens after. Like a lot of these young bulls are catching cases and they aren't even physically built up yet.

SPEAKER_02:

These are the skinniest. These are the skinniests. Bro is 130 pounds wet, but he got his gun, his extended mag, and he thinks he's the hardest person out there in the streets. When you go to jail, you don't know how to make a shank. You don't know how to make a lighter, you don't know how to make half the food intermaking. So guess what? You're either gonna be interdependent on someone else, or you're gonna be interviewing somebody's bitch.

SPEAKER_01:

Or you're gonna have to have to dog your way up, right? Like, and it's hard to do that against dudes. It's hard to do it with burpees for five years. I've been doing burpees for five years, dog.

SPEAKER_02:

And you come in here and you 130 pounds malnourished.

SPEAKER_01:

Bro, bro, I remember my uncle got out, right? And we're sharing a room, and we're like eating sardines and shit. Because that's what they do, right? He just got out, so he's still he's still dealing with the after effects, right? So like we're eating sardines and shit. And he's like, This is when I'm younger, right? And we're like fucking around. He's like, Yeah, bro, you don't know how to fight. I was like, what do you mean by that? Like, I I you know, I got into some situations, he's like, bro, and then he showed me this wrestling move, and this is why I respect wrestlers. We're uh in boxing range, we grab each other, right? And I'm like, oh I'm strong. He ain't gonna just he hip toss me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah. And once you're on the ground, most people's brain, they don't know what the fuck they do. As soon as they're on their back, they give up.

SPEAKER_01:

Brain's done. And it's crazy just the levels of violence people aren't used to or accustomed to, and they want to throw themselves in environments where there's no rest.

SPEAKER_02:

Like there's no one to tell you to stop. And it's like, okay, you're tough in the street, and this is for the kids, you're tough in the street where there's rules, you're tough against other people who are trying to be normal, and you have a different mentality than them, and you're already on aggression. When you get put in a situation where you were in a building where there's a hundred other people with the same mentality as you, with more experience, and they're stronger, and you don't have the tools you used outside to be that tough, it's not gonna go the way you think.

SPEAKER_01:

I I implore all these young boys to go to a gym, go to a boxing gym, MMA gym, wrestling gym, kickboxing gym, taekwondo gym, jujitsu gym, any Sambo gym, any combat oriented discipline and anger management. Because you can't be mad and put on some gloves and win a fight. You're gonna get knocked the fuck out of it.

SPEAKER_02:

Because that is the number one thing. You're people who like, oh, when I get angry, my eyes go red, I black out, and it shit happened. You go to one of these places and your eyes go red and you're gonna be upside down. And the first thing it will teach you is to be calm under pressure. And once you learn that, when you are outside, you could be in the same environment, but you are not going to think the same. You're gonna go, actually, should I be pulling my gun out in this situation? You're gonna start becoming the voice of reason because you will learn things. And if you are angry, you can go back to the gym. If you want to, you can go spar, you can go do fights. There is a place for you to handle that anger. You got home problems, school issues, family not treating you right. There is a place for that, but it is not to take it out on strangers.

SPEAKER_01:

And if that's what you're doing, get off the street. And if some old head recruited you, he's a fucking weirdo. We gotta talk about that too. 100%. Bro, my mom banned me from going to the store for people around the neighborhood. I didn't know why, but that's their gateway drug.

unknown:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Bro, we gotta stop this shit. Stop sending young bulls to the store and then fronting him some coke when he turned 15. Stop that shit, bro. Stop.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what Dave said in his album. He said, I was a runner for somewhere two years older than me. Thought it was normal. Like, what are y'all we doing? We just passing that down. You passing it down all the way down. You have somebody making you be a runner when you was a kid. You got 18 and you found a 15 year old and was like, hey, I'm gonna make you run for me. I'm gonna treat you the same way they was treating me. These ain't your big homies, these ain't your big dogs, these ain't your they are taking advantage of you.

SPEAKER_00:

They're taking advantage of the day.

SPEAKER_02:

They want you to stay here. And if you ever told them, I don't want to do this no more, I'm gonna change, I want a different life, watch how they react. That's all you need to know.

SPEAKER_01:

And if it's not a preordained thing that we have been shocked to, right? Like, if it's not entertainment or sports, they won't even, they couldn't even conceive it in their mind. And and that's what I'm trying to tell a lot of these young boys. Like, especially this is strictly for kids, bro. Like, I'm talking like 17 and down, right? Yeah. Because once you're 18, bro, I get it, you're a grown man. I already know how the culture is, right? I already know how that's probably already got kicked out the house.

SPEAKER_02:

Hey, 18 and black and a male, you better have a job. I think you've probably already been paying bills since you're 16. But no, yeah, if if there's any old head that you respected, if they're not telling you when they see you doing dumb stuff to stay in school, stick to a sport, do your homework, and why you outside past the street lights, they're not for you. Because there are old heads doing that. They know they're too gone, they don't want to change. But there are people being like, hey yo, go, go home. Why are you here? Don't be at this party. You don't need to be doing that. Go study. There are people doing it, and there are people who are not. So if they're not, those aren't the ones that you even need to be around. And the ones who are don't want you around them because they know what they're doing and they know that's not where you need to be.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's becoming few and far between, just like Kodak Black is, man. I can't believe we got Kodak Black dropping high-quality music. I like this album. Like it? I like the title of it, and I like the promise of it. This showcased all his talents. It wasn't as cohesive as I wanted it to be. But the talent is there. We just gotta get them focused. And I think that's the biggest thing. I wish he'd get into like some gun and shit as far as not snitching, guys. Relax. I know, but like gunner. But uh meaning working out and cutting back on the party lifestyle. Because I think that's what's killing him. I think he's probably as good. He's as good as Drake Kentrick and all of them.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, Kodak is from one of the last generations. Kodak's from one of the last double X freestyle generations that we were like, uh, they didn't just grab trash off the street. Kodak's put out a lot of stuff recently. Like, if I look, I'm looking now. Kodak had one, two, three, four albums in 2024, right? When artists start just dropping quantity and not quality, I do start to get a little worried. Maybe he just had a lot on his mind and wanted to get music out, paying the bills on streams. He just got out of jail, bro. This is the only album he's dropped this year. I think that you know he's I think he's still gonna give something else. I don't think this is it. I think this was like a refresh after dropping all the stuff that he did last year. And I do think we're gonna get something, as you say, a little bit more cohesive soon. Maybe not 2026, but 2027, I think it's gonna be an actual, like a Kodak classic, I think we'll get in maybe like 2027.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he's overdue, tribute Red's overdue. I think people need to start putting some more creative some of these younger artists, they have survived and swam with the big sharks, you know? Yeah, like Drake Kendrick and J. Cole, they take a lot of market space. And these guys are still here.

SPEAKER_02:

Anyone from the 2015 to say 2018 era who is still around now in 2025, they they have already as you said they've proved their worth because you know the albums that Drake Kendrick and them were dropping during those times where those people were trying to come out and be popular, were some of their peak classics. And so for them guys to even still be known, they've proved it. Maybe they've gotten a little lost in the sauce with all the other crap that we've had come out recently, but they have a spot and they have a fan base, and yeah, they just get back to I think out of that group the most successful is probably Uzi. But yeah, I think they'll get back to it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I like everybody in that group. 21 Savage got something coming up, so I can't wait for that to drop. I like 21. I think he gets better with each album. A lot of these younger artists, they get better. The only person I didn't like, like I don't like, I don't think Lil Yachty's ever put out an album where I was like, I like every song, or like I don't think he has any classics. No, I I also don't think Lil Yacht has any classics. I think his classic singles, he doesn't have classic albums.

unknown:

Correct.

SPEAKER_02:

And then who was it that you just said? Not Yachty, but before that. 21. I think 21. I think Uzi has the best music and music diversity out of that group. I think 21 does the best business and has the best connections out of that group. 21 is very smart, and so I think out of that group, they're pioneering. But like you said, we have Trippy Red, we got Kodak Black, like there's a few others, and they're not far behind. And I think as they get older, there is the opportunity for them to kind of lose some of that like young, dumb, and I'm just here to make money and get more into the business and get more into quality. So I hope Kodak does that on his next album.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Well, this has been an episode of Music Event. People have been beefing, they have a lot of money. We had a lot of opinions. We give our two cents to everybody with all the change. Me and Dre, episode forty of Music Event.