Of Music & Men #43

We start with New Year goals, then get honest about what it means when artists use their influence in ways that clash with the community that built them. From politics to documentaries to streaming beef, we keep circling back to one question: who’s protecting the culture when attention and money are the main incentives?

Transcript

Intro And New Year Resolutions

SPEAKER_01 0:00

It's Lane LA. Music and Men episode 43. Me and Dre all day. It's a no no New Year. What's up, Dre? You got any resolutions, bro?

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Actually, I did. I got two. This year, I want to help somebody get a job. And I want to house someone. You know? Get some get some some properties, put some money on. Buy someone a home. I think that'd be good.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

I'll work for you and I'll rent a property right now.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Oh. Okay. Well, when I get in position to make those things happen.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

No, man. You can't do shit like that to me. Now I'm disappointed.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Oh, well, it's the fourth. So I got time. Okay.

Nicki Minaj And Political Co-Signs

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Well, listen, I had some New Year's resolutions as well. We got them. We hit the numbers. Okay. One December was so stressful that when I hit the numbers, I went to sleep. Like I just rested, bro. I was like, uh, I need time. Yeah. But nah, bro. Speaking of needing time, speaking of making a change in a new year, well, this is last year, but we'll still talk about it. Nicki Minaj makes his appearance at the turning point USA. Um, if you guys don't know, that's attached to Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk, and their whole movement as far as pushing a new right-wing conservatism throughout America, especially the youth. First off, this is exactly why this podcast was made. This is exactly what we're talking about from the first episode. We're talking about these artists and having larger agendas and larger things behind the scene. And the music is just an organic facilitator between their influence and their volume to people of power. Nicki Minaj can affect young black women. So her voice was co-opted for her own interests. I'm hearing that she has some people that have some situations going on, and maybe she's trying to fix that up. But here's the thing I don't care what goal you have with it, you did it. And I can't respect you anymore. And I'm not going to be listening to your music anymore. It it you do lose credibility, credibility in the black music space when you make moves against black culture, either a black artist or person. That is bar none. If Drake would have done this, if Kendrick would have done this, if J. Cole would have done this, I would have stopped listening to the music. It was nothing else to talk about. Like, I'm it's nothing else to talk about for me and Nicki Minaj.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

And and just to be clear, we've said this about people who were doing the same things during the election for the the Democratic left side, too. Like it says if you're an artist, you should be more aware of how you're being used. This wasn't like we talked about, you know, Megan. Meg the Stalin Tarkin and all that. Like, no, no, this isn't just because she did this with Trump. Everybody, if you were a black artist and we're in 2025 and you're aware of the fact that neither side has necessarily always made our people's interests our best interest, but they've always used us as vocal points to get people to vote. It's actually time for all of them to stop. This is just extra disappointing that she went, especially for Charlie Kirk or Turning Point or whoever, Erica Kirk, like knowing what they know and going, speaking on this side against four people who are actively up front with their harm to the black community. That's a major disappointment.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

This is a disappointment. This is like when people say, Why did you stop fucking with somebody? This is why.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

It was little black girls and little black boys looking up and wanting to listen to your music, respecting you, and even wanting to be like you. And we're doing stuff like this. I can't respect that. I have four little sisters. They all like Nicki Minaj. I actually need to have a conversation with them and how they feel about her now. Now, because I feel like she just walked away from everything that built her.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Right, and she got in a position of power, and now she's using it in a way that is against her core audience.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

It's crazy, bro. And listen, when people start putting Cardi B in front of her, now we know why. When we say when people start putting Megan Austallion in front of her, now we know why. When we say, when people say, oh, Queelantif and Nicki Minaj were incomparable, now I know why people were saying that. At the end of the day, there's a certain level of character you have to have as an MC to be respected as an MC. No matter what, like people we respect have done what they should have done when they were put in those situations. And if they don't, we have to treat them like all the arguments, all the things that was backing her up on as far as like different artists and this like people comparing. That's that that that lay layer of defense is gone. Because we have like like I don't think she understood what she just did.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Well, she does now because what she lost like 10 million followers. I think she actually shut, I don't know if she shut down Instagram or something like that. She lost like 10 million followers that day. Right? Like socially, the backlash is already there. And I'm sorry, as an entertainer, your social cloud is what you have. And so she is facing the repercussions on that. Her fans have spoken now. Does she care? Don't know. Don't know what kind of deal she's making in the back rooms and if this is worth whatever.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Hey, she might just sell her discography and say, fuck it.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

You can sell Nicki Minaj's discography and make a nice chunk of change.

SPEAKER_03 6:16

So yeah, yeah. 100%.

50 Cent’s Diddy Doc Debate

SPEAKER_01 6:19

I think that may that that's her next move. She has to be going straight capitalists, right? She must have been talking to her people and it's like, fuck the culture. We're straight capitalists. Who got the bag? We're trying to get some partners for our people over here. Alright, cool. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't be, I can't dwell on it. Alright, cool, Nicki Minaj. I ain't gonna be, I ain't gonna fuck with your shit. Yeah. How do you feel about 50 Cent? He's beefing with Fad. He's beefing with Maino. He's beefing with Pat Poos. He's beefing with Calarissa Shields. 50 Cent and beef and being, I think he's either almost 50 or is 50 or over 50. And I only say this because what side of 50 will 50 ever get each other?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Well, so here's so we gotta talk about this with all of them, right? All of them. All of these dudes are older, making diss tracks about each other and all this. I can't get behind their beef with 50 in this instance because y'all are mad. It's the same thing with Marlon Wayne situation. Y'all are mad that 50 made, like first off, because Diddy dock. Someone was gonna make it a make a doc on Diddy, or we're gonna let our people tell the narrative, or are we gonna let other people keep telling the narrative on our stories? That's and and in our culture, right? So it was one, should have been someone in our culture making that documentary if it was gonna be made. Now, people are upset about the way he made it, whatever. People are more upset about the fact that 50 Cent made a documentary on Diddy than the fact that Diddy did something to have a documentary be made about. None of these people are coming out, and this is talking to black people about this. Diddy has done some horrendous things, and black people are more worried about the narrative that a successful black person has done something bad than the harm that this successful black person has done. We're not perfect, we're not perfect people, we're not all the same people, and when we get in positions of power and act like the people who oppressed us, you need to be called out for it. People are more upset that Diddy is being called out for crimes than the crimes that Diddy has done and the harm he's done to a black people. That's a problem. Okay. So anyone who is has an issue with, like I said, it's them, it's Marlon Wayne, it's a bunch of people that have an issue with the fact that 50 went and made this documentary. Need to have some retrospective because y'all refuse to talk about the things Diddy did. And so now that it's up front and center, now everyone has to talk about it. He's gone through court, documentary is gonna be there, right? Court cases disappear. Now there's gonna be on streaming services for a while. People are gonna watch it, people are gonna talk about it. You're like, oh, you're mad, he's capitalized on it. Someone was going to. I'm not saying that's okay, but we do live in a world where someone was going to. And we need to have a greater conversation about people's acceptance of the things that Diddy did or their unwillingness to speak out about it.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

So, my viewpoint on that is that people who are pro-Diddy, as far as the situation, far as not talking about it, is because he only got booked for the man act. He didn't get booked for anything really heinous, if you think about it. Like, what he's going to jail for is not what he was going to court for. Right. So socially, I can point out and say that. So, like, that's what people are like that's the fence.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

That's the argument.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

That's the argument.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

That's the argument. So, like, that's all I wanted to point out because, like, he did he did not go to jail for any of those crimes. I'm not saying it's cool that he got away with it. Correct. Right? So, like, a lot of things can be right at once. I do believe people are pushing back on 50 cents because they have allegiances to Diddy behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Especially he's gonna get out in what, two, three years, and then they don't want to say anything because he's not getting locked up for life.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

He's not getting locked up for life, and like it or not, Dre, in three years, I swear to God, he's gonna have a different narrative. Like, like, like people are gonna be looking at Diddy like, oh man, he just he just donated so much. Like, he just he started all these donations, he started all these things. I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

And and so this is the reason, and actually, this further enforces why I actually think now I think it's okay that he made this documentary. Because, as you said, he didn't get booked on the actual heinous things that he's been accused of for the past 20, 30 years. But since this doc has been up, people have been made more aware of them. So you can't erase this. Your court files, your two years, that's gonna go away, you're gonna go online. Something's gotta be attached to your name, longer standing. And personally, as black people, we have to set boundaries for people to enter on the city.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

The craziest thing with black culture, and this is just a thing we deal with. A male victim in black culture is not respected, it not in no form, shape at all, right? And Cassie got paid for getting it beat, right? So, like, people are conflating those two things, right? Like, when I when I talk to people, they say the Diddy stuff, and they like they're talking about it like, oh, he's being gay. No, he was a sexual assaulter. He drugged and raped people, right? Or he drugged and took advantage of people.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

So, like or he tried to not try to murder some people, try to murder other people. Like, we're talking about a man who has a history of felony.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

But let's let's talk about that though. There's people on a block that's murder, that's murder robber. That's just culture.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Blowing up people's cars is just culture.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Okay, I wouldn't say no, no, no. I don't say that's culture. I'm not saying that's what's respected.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

That's what's respected in sub in some subset of the culture, got you.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you don't agree to this shit. But balls on the block don't give a fuck, bro. I swear to God, all the shit that we just talked about, and this is the average person that you're engaging with, right, who has a low-level look at things because they're that's what they're dealing with, right? Like, all right, he didn't get caught being taken advantage. Like, it's no videos of him looking like a certain way, you know what I'm saying? Like, it has to, like, it has to all coeside. If it looks like, oh, he just got bread and bro hating because he got bread, because you know, did he in 50 guys situation over a baby mom? So it's always gonna be a little oomph with that.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Even if he got a motive to do that, does that make all this stuff wrong?

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Like, no, so so I I agree in totality that like this story should be out, and he did horrendous things, and these should be exposed and it should be attached to his legacy. I just know, and I have to be double's advocate, that 50 has a personal gripe, and anything with a personal gripe, you gotta take it with a grain of salt, bro. So 50 could be like, bro, all right, let's just talk about this real quick. 50 Cent don't really care about gun violence. 50 Cent don't really care, you know what I'm saying? Like, or some real shit. He don't care about that shit. So certain aspects if the stuff that Diddy was doing, he's cool with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's call a buck a buck. Sexual assault is bad, murder's bad. We cool with that though. Like, I I'm sorry, like it's so normal. Right. Right, it's it's it's very normal.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Like, murder is cool, but no, as long as it's happening from us to us.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Right. Well, it's contextual too. It's street culture, right? Because you don't get no points if you kill somebody that's a nerd, or you kill somebody that you know saying that's not participating. So it's kind of like what Nipsey said. You see somebody walking a certain way, and you like, oh, he's a square, he's a buster. But you see somebody walking the way you walk, and now you know you wanna you wanna go test them, you want to check them, you want to go kill yourself. Yeah, you know, that's that that that whole subquestion was it's it's tough. It's tough. Like, you gotta get out of it, right? I feel like 18 years, I was like, like, I was swimming, like like shit could have gone bad, left, right. Like, we get out of that, and then you can start looking back, but if people are if they don't leave, bro, I know somebody, some people that like 40, 50, they never left the block.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Still on the block, yeah. They like it.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Like never, never left that shit, bro. I'm talking about they never went on vacation, they never like none of that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Day in, day out, working a block.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Speaking of working a block, bro, and going at the ops, Aiden Ross and Doche, Trey, Bars, bro. Is this is this the new Drake and Kendrick, bro? This is what I'm talking about this is what the culture is feeling, bro. I mean, listen, nobody's gonna call her out for it, but Doshe did say a racial slur. We just, I think we're cool with it, I guess. It's another caveat. Is this another caveat? I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

No, it's because you know what they say? Black people can't be racist.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Black people can't be racist. I say that, like I told somebody that they was like, nah, you're racist. I'm like, all right, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just gotta go along whatever label you get these days, bro. I think both of these people are playing around with real shit. Yeah. They don't care. Aiden Ross is doing this for a bag. You think this shit is.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

I was like, first off, yeah, Aiden.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

He's completely checked out.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Any person who is entertaining a streamer, this is how they make their money. So you are you're taking offense to anything they say, you're reacting to anything they say. And I'm not saying you can't, right? Like, these streamers do control a lot of the online presence among the youth nowadays. Like, you cannot ignore the streaming rules. But some of these people are just clout demons. Like, you just gotta just look at them and look away.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Say a prayer, keep it moving.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Listen, man, there is some real gripes. He did do a song with six nine the original clout demon. The OG, he needs to keep it now. So, like, I think I think that's where he needs to be at. Far away from a book.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

I'm sorry, man. If your whole life is like this doing goofy shit, it's crazy. But um, the Aiden Ross and Dolce situation is funny, it's ironic. I think neither one of them remembers how it started, and neither one of them has real grounds to be angry with each other, but now it's just a thing, a bungster, both of their careers. Like, it's gonna be fun. I hope they detach at a certain point. Aiden Ross is a distraction. Dolce is a very talented rapper. She could be one of the great. If she just focused on her craft, she did get pushed, she did get help. It is obvious. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

It is literally that like here's the thing, right? Like, what's that? It's talent and hard work or me opportunity, whatever the saying is, I forget. But like, if you weren't, there are industry plants who get pushed and then they disappear, right? But if you weren't a talent, and it's okay to get pushed because we push the wrong people all the time. We make the wrong people famous all the time. So if you are someone who's deserving of it and you get a little push, don't feel bad. I know there's a negative stereotype to that. Well, it wasn't a little push.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Niggas must be in LA so if you get if you get my review changes where wherever I'm at, too. It's all good.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

No, but if you get help, if you get assistance, you get pushed, you have connections. I'm sorry. First of all, there is nothing wrong with that. People get that shit out the day. Not every like, I'm not saying you didn't work hard. I'm not saying you didn't get out the mud or whatever narrative you're pushing for your image, but everyone gets some form of help one way or another by someone. Okay, like that's what it is. Don't be ashamed. You're so talented. If you're not talented, you have something embarrassed about it. If you're talented, keep it moving.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Trey, you have to sell crack. No, it's no hard work.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

What are you talking about? Well, it's okay because she mm-hmm. Do you consider Dunje more a rapper or a singer? Or what does Dunce want to be considered more of?

SPEAKER_01 19:24

I don't know on both categories. I say I enjoy her rap more than I enjoy her singing. I think she's versatile. I think she has talent. I think she doesn't have to pick a lane, but she has to have some uh cohesiveness on those albums. Albums are perfect.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

You know, albums are great.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Just keep doing what you I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Because depending on which one of those she wants to be more is depending not panda, but who what audience she needs to care about. If you're a singer, you don't have to care about the opinions of hood rappers and what they consider you. But if you want to be a rapper, it's a different narrative you have to play off of your image now.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how like it's like Megan the Stallion, like, remember when she when she first came out, she was like super tough. I was like, oh shit. Yes.

unknown 20:11

Right?

SPEAKER_01 20:11

But that narrative is.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

So she didn't want to be tough anymore.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

50 Cent got tougher.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Different paths. Right. Yeah. You know where you never know where a bullet can take.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Sorry, that wasn't asked. That one came straight from the chamber, bro.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

We do not condone shooting people.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

No, don't shoot any people. Or violence against women. Violence is trade crazy, bro. Like I that whole situation is wild. But did they did they ever find like a bullet on her? Hey. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Um, you know, let me get the lawyers in here.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Hold on, guys.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

You know, flew my uh Facebook. No, it was a it was one of the videos of Tory done COVID when he's doing his COVID shit. I was like, yo, bro, really had the internet in a chokehold.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Bro, I remember that shit. I used to get excited with the live wind.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

I mean, see, like that might like I ever talking about COVID blew up, like, no, like that writer outside of gaming, that was the top form of live streaming that you could have done.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

It was Tory Lane. Yeah, and you know what? He broke that wide open. He broke that wide open. You're right. How do you feel about uh Glasses Malone, affiliate of the TDE organization, releasing some threats towards Aiden Ross, professing that he needs to show respect? Listen, I I don't know. And maybe these maybe everybody's joking. Maybe everybody knows this up. Aiden Ross is not from this culture. None of that shit matters to him, bro. He don't check in. He don't know. And he's and he's a police.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

He's a voter. Yes. And he first off. Now this goes to the shame of people in the culture. If y'all keep allowing Aiden to pay you for you to get on his streams, you are co-signing that it is okay for Aiden to do what he does. And so y'all can't be looking and yelling at Aiden, and you need to stop doing this. You need to do this. No, look at all the rappers that keep taking the bag to sit on his stream and let everyone else know that it's actually okay for Aiden to keep on his phone. Like y'all take it, y'all want to take it up with the scarny little boy who sits behind his computer and only streams, doesn't go outside. He does it every day and he yells at people and sits on his computer. Y'all don't want to take it up with the people y'all are sitting in rooms with. People that phone numbers y'all got. Like, yo, stop getting on Aiden's stream. Checking the wrong crazy.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

People are always tough against somebody that won't fight back, bro. This shit reminds me of high school. Motherfucker, this dude, he didn't want to fight. I was like, bro, even if you don't want to fight, just swing. Just swing, bro. Like, I told him this shit. Didn't swing. Now they they like, uh. Like now they on his ass for the next month until he finally swung. Listen, man, Aiden Ross, he's never gonna swing. He's not that type of guy. And he's gonna get security involved. He's gonna get security involved. But he will sue you. He will sue you. He will go every means and ways to go through the legal parameters. You're dealing with a citizen, right? Street culture does not apply to citizens. Citizens leave street culture alone. That's where Aiden Ross is fucking up at. He's going back and forth with these dudes. There is a ticket to pay for that. Like it there's gonna be a ticket to pay for that. That's why he has security. That's not that's why he's paying money out the ass to protect himself. Same thing with DJ Academics. Those dudes talk so much shit. They gotta pay a certain amount of money just to feel safe walking around.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

Yeah.

Adam22 Jason Love Internet Circus

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Yeah. And I'm talking about like armed security. They're paying like, you know, a nice chunk of change a month to have everyday security. Like, it's crazy. Like, nah, man. You know what's even crazier than that shit, bro? Adam22 is trying to fight Jason Love.

unknown 24:29

So what?

SPEAKER_00 24:29

What?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

What is this? He wanted to watch his girl get fucked by Adam. Now his girl goes to watch him get heat get beat up by Adam. Like I don't say some back and forth, like, I don't know at the end of it, they're all free gonna get together and do a video. Like, I don't know. But I think the internet shouldn't have got invited to watch this weird kink thing that they got.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

I I think uh the the end times are near. Like, this uh kind of reminds me of what is it, Sodom and Gomorrah? Like, yeah, this is just too immoral for me, you know? It almost feels like a fucking bro. We used to it so back in the day, back during slavery, they used to have Negro battle royales where you didn't get blinded and people will punch each other with one hand and a cup in the other. And this kind of reminds me of this some type of form of humiliation or tribalization of this black man, Jason Love. Because, you know, his whole life is just a narrative. He people are LARP through this guy. So, like, I know he's gonna do it all for a check, and I'm sure along the way he's lost so much of his identity. I I feel sorry for those guys because we never even think about we we hear about it, right? What happens to the women, and we hear about after and people who quit and stuff. We don't hear shit about the men. And these guys all are coming at people who always have more resources than them. So I don't know what's happening behind the scenes to this man, you know, or what he's doing for bread. And I only imply these things because that's what it looks like, some weird shit, man.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Right. Like, this is what we're publicly seeing that he's doing for money.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

But we don't know what he's doing behind the scenes. And to be fair in this, anyone who looks at the like people are gonna look at the lens different because he's mad, and they're like, Well, these are his decisions, these are his blah blah blah. Keep that same empathy that you see when you make you see women go and do stuff, right? Right, like you're seeing like Bonnie Blue go and you know, do the shit she's doing, and stuff like that. It's like, well, there's her choices, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, there are things that go in behind the scenes of people making these choices in the positions that they're in. And yeah, like once again, we see him publicly doing this. We don't know what is probably worse going on behind the scenes than he maybe is doing for money or situations that he's been in since he's been in the industry. And it is weird that it's on the front page, though. It's weird that in it Adam 22 being someone, like I said, it's it's a weird thing. He has a thing with with or for black people. I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:13

You know, he's Adam 22 is probably the weirdest dude as far as I don't know how he got anywhere near black culture. I don't know. But he's in there somewhere in there. That's an LA thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

And you know what's crazy? I was having a conversation with someone. The West Coast, if we're gonna talk about we we talk about people inviting people to the cookouts, we gotta stop doing that, start giving slang away, stop selling our culture. The West Coast has done more to try to integrate other people into black culture than anywhere else in America. The West Coast accepts the West Coast accepts Hispanic people saying the n-word. The West Coast accepts like like there has been, especially people from like the Bay, or like there, there has been more integration and faltering coming out of black culture from the West Coast than anywhere else. Shit doesn't happen on East. Shit does not happen on the East Coast.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah, East Coast, you gotta be straight up. You know, it's cold out here. Yo, like you know what I'm saying? Like, like I don't got time to I gotta meet up with two, three buddies before I can make a decision and make a move. That's fucking crazy. I like when I first moved to LA, I got into the situation, right? And this dude popped off on me. He's like with two of his homies. I was like, all right, cool. All right, seen him by himself, whole different dude. I was like, what the fuck is this? So I just think it's group think, bro, over there and what people are doing for chess. And it's different, it's a class of culture, bro. I think a lot, like culturally, East Coast dudes had to do things on their own. So their their character and morals are a little different. Like with West Coast, most of the society is around games. So that's this groupthink, right? So you're gonna get a lot if you got groupthink at the lower level as far as poor people, right? And our poor people over here on the North Coast are doing everything on the East Coast is doing everything by themselves, usually, everybody tells us about how much they did for themselves or the East Coast. Like it's always about solidarity and what you can do for yourself, individualism. But when I was over there in the East in the West Coast, it's more collaborative. But I also feel like people are like not as solid by themselves, you know?

SPEAKER_02 29:30

Right. I I don't know. I just like my observation and observation of how other people is just like they've just they let a lot of weird things, especially and then yeah, LA is also a place. But yeah, people have just kind of, you know, oh, we grew up with these people. Yo, everyone grew up around white people. There's Hispanics everywhere. You just don't see that kind of stuff where we're just you let people take advantage of your culture just because like you're familiar with these people. And I just feel like that's what happens. Oh, I know that's not that bad.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

I never had a Hispanic friend until I was in uh college. Like, just because of like density. I might have known a couple like I might have known a couple people, but like I didn't know them, you know?

SPEAKER_04 30:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

How do you feel about this Stefan Diggs situation, bro? They still let him ball out hurting me. She's asking people to get over it, you know. I I it's kind of wild the choices we make, right? Everybody's making choices here. Stefan the shirties getting paid to be I'm pretty sure it was a physical therapist or some shit, bro. She the girl was working for him, the one that's accusing him.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

And uh that's what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

I I mean when you this is this is everybody, this isn't like a black person's wife. It's as a man, when you the the healthiest thing a man can do once he makes some money, honestly, this is like counterintuitive. We're talking about like people get taken advantage of a lot. Yo, get a wife, get a wife, yeah, stop messing around with other women, settle down, get you a family, get off the field, go home. Watch Disney Plus. Like, I don't know. Y'all gotta stop being involved, putting yourselves in situations, looking for attention from women because you're gonna get yourselves in situations, right? Like, there's a reason this happens to certain people and certain not other people, especially if you're black. Then so let's add that context. As a black person with some money, you gotta definitely can't be first off, you can't be alone in rooms, certain rooms with just women. They're coming after your bag, they're coming after your money because it's easy. One of the sadly in America, one of the things that you don't have to have evidence of when you accuse somebody of something, and I'm not talking about him specifically, uh, but there's other cases, and we'll talk about those other cases later. But it's like harassment, sexual assault. I can easily you could just be accused of it. They don't have to provide evidence. Now you're guilty, right? If I say bro shot me, I have to have evidence. I say this person robbed me, I gotta have evidence, camera footage, something. He hit my cars, dirt marks. No, I say you assaulted me, no evidence and no time frame. So stop being alone in the rooms with women. Yep, stop being like camera on, ready. I don't know, AI glasses. The Ray Bans, like, there's too many situations for you to be dumb enough to think, well, that's not gonna happen to me because it's happening to multiple, and statistically, you're fitting the frame of reference of people getting accused. So just stop. Yeah, no, we don't do hotel meets. We actually only go into this office. There's a camera in here, we have our conversations. I don't care how private the conversation is.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Yeah. I like you gotta have protocols. Like these dudes don't have protocols. The people, but I think there's also a culture of this for rich athletes, rich rich people, period. Where you put them in these situations because that's how you stay in control. Like, oh no, I'm gonna get you out of this, Stefan. No, no, no, I'm gonna need this to happen. No, no. When they ask you this, I want you to say that. But if this situation happened, I want you to remember this. Like, that's how you can co-opt somebody easily. You put them in a culture in which, I mean, we see it, like, there's just exposing how rookies have to pay all this money for players, you know, teams and shit like that, and they got small ass contracts, and people are just saying that's wrong. Like, the amount of hazing that's going on at the upper levels, like I'm not gonna lie, like the more money you get, like, the more temptation you get as well. Like, if people make more bread are always like in this bout of uh levity, they always want to have a good time.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Access.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Yeah, access.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

And it and so one to go back, not saying that he didn't do what he's accused of that. I'm saying you could keep yourself from even these situations being possible because a lot of the times it's the well-off, rich entertainment, sports, black guys in situations with women. This is a common denominator, and you should in the future not put yourself in situations for stuff like that happen. If you are going to continue to actively put yourself in situations like that happen, at that point you are the problem. But for someone who wants to keep themselves out of situations like this, you don't want no accusations of women doing anything. You don't want to be like, well, oh, she said, you know, she's telling people you hit her, you choked her, you beat her, you did this and this. That's not your wife, bro. Yeah, get out. That's why actually, where is your wife? She should be president.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Yeah, I mean, he got at least three women pregnant. There, why is there like no woman's around this guy? No, nobody's playing defense on this guy. Is he that good of a player?

SPEAKER_02 34:56

No security to be like, hey, yo, actually, I was there that did not like you don't have no other witnesses. Nobody can't. First off, why y'all you doing physical therapy? Where at? There's no cameras in a facility somewhere. There's not. I think she was like a cook or something.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Either way, it was something personal in his daily life. I have to look at it again. I wouldn't correct that just in case people get mad or anything like that. Right.

Tyler’s Receipts And False Accusations

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Yeah. I don't know the exact circumstance, but I can tell you how to avoid this situation. No private shit. Sure. No private shit.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Hey, talking about avoiding this situation, Tyler came out with his receipts. The shorty came out with her receipts, but they wasn't really receipts. There was a lot of jargon, a lot of feelings, a lot of feelings. Um the classic thing. She said she doesn't like black men. She never likes black men. I don't like black boys.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Oh, I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She came out saying that her last dude was black. You know. So you're gonna we're gonna put that out there.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

I'm gonna say, out of all the things, so I watched some of her stuff. And this is, and so this is another reason why I was talking about that situation with you know, just talk no more private shit. I'm sorry. It's just gonna have to be the class. Does it work on the gel for you to be able to, you know, flex on the sleep around with a bunch of girls? First of all, this whole situation happened, bro. Let's talk about that. You won't find yourself in these situations if you're where you're supposed to be. Past that, his story, he was going back to his hotel with his stylus or his hair price or whatever. Shorty said she wanted to come. Whatever. He has a video of her asking him, I don't do one night stands. Is this a one-night stand? And he's like, Not if we talk to Marsha, but what happened if we ain't talking? Continued after that. That was a start of the interaction. So Shorty thought that he was going to leave his girl for her. From what we're gathering from that, when he was like, nah, this was just a little one night, whatever. Evidence of her saying, Well, you're gonna pay me for this, right? Everything like first off, the first video is damning enough because now we could see your intent for why you would make an accusation off of the distress you exhibited once you figured out that he was not gonna leave his girlfriend. Everything after that was the cherry on top. But it's amazing that and you know, God bless he had the the thought to like let me record these things, let me collect this evidence. You have to prove yourself innocent when you are accused of sexual assault. Just a situation we're in. If he did not have this evidence, career would be over. Career would be over, and he'd be looking at a soon up-to-date court case. And thank God he wasn't in a situation where like his lawyer, he said his lawyer said he could release this information. A lot of people, they get advice like, oh, you know, my lawyer said I gotta be quiet, I can't talk about these things. But when your whole career is being an online person, you being silent and letting the internet run its own narrative is the end of your career. So if he wasn't able to come out with this information, we'd all be like, he's she's saying this and he's saying nothing. So we gotta say that she's right. That's usually how it goes.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

I hope this man gets uh his due process in court. I hope he makes sure she gets some time for this or takes a fine for this.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

I would say if he is found innocent, I hope that she goes to jail for the time that he would have done if this was true. And I will always say that for anyone who commits false accusations.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

It it it's it's out of hand, man. And it looks like such a false accusation because of the way she's talking about it. She talked about the size of his manhood. She said, not even Carson Net. Like she said, he's suing me, I'm suing him, we're suing each other, like joking about this shit. Like, like it's a game. Like, all this stuff is a game.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

And real victims should be admonishing her for the way she's handling the situation, because this only harms you. Like, it's like I know, I know there's a lot of harm that is done to real victims of assault from men, and the way men handle and don't take it seriously. But the way the more women commit false accusations, the harder it will be for real women of these uh situations to actually be able to get their justice. And that's just gonna be as simple as that.

Rap And Streaming Become One Lane

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Yep. It's exactly why people are gonna they're gonna lose faith in some of the arguments people propose because in situations like this. And this is the most dangerous and incentives, is that like some people still believe this girl, right? Yes, regardless, even if it gets out of court, they will. It doesn't matter. Um, we're we're in a galvanized space these days, so I tell people to be wary with this shit. Soul Boy and Blueface are not being wary. They have some back and forth over baby moms and this and that and careers. I enjoy both of these men. These guys are the messy, they're they're very messy.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

I think Soulja Boy is has like Soulja Boy has been living off of his success. That, you know, and he's done great things for hip hop, but that ego has never disappeared. And I'm sorry. Legacy is important, and I think he still feels slighted, but like Soulja Boy, beefing with new artists, younger artists, always trying to search for validation, like that loses you respect, right? And you're consistently getting into it with artists as someone to, in my opinion, no, you no longer contribute to hip hop. And so I don't know what it is with his weird thing with trying to always prove himself to new artists. And as far as Blueface, I think Blueface has an opportunity to fix his image. You see, you know, he's doing stuff with DDG, he's trying to stream, he's trying to like leave this shit behind.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Hey, bro, he could be a good streamer, bro. He could be a really good streamer. And I wanted to talk about that. Um, streaming and rapping are starting to fuse. Are you starting to see that a lot of rappers are either streaming or on streams or rapping on streams, right? It used to be like it almost started to combine, and even streamers are rapping, and then it all circles back. You know, like I are they fusing? Are we are we seeing what happened with R ⁇ B rap where it kind of just absorbed the genre and now it's like a part of it?

SPEAKER_02 41:25

No, I just see this is the new, this is the new interview, right? So you used to go, they want to get on GQ, they want to get on some live TV thing, they want to get on someone's podcast or their talk show, right? This is just the new evolution of that. Because, and if you're a marketer, if you're a good marketer, you should realize and understand that streaming is not the most powerful form of influence for people about 25 and under, right? Like there is more than radio, more than TV, YouTube ads, none of that. It's streaming. The influence and the parasocialism that the viewers have a streamer. So this is just the new form of them to get them sales. And when they see how easy it is, they're like, oh, I could have this bag in addition to making my music. And I think like the the person who's doing this the best is T-Pain. T Pain is doing this the absolute best as an artist and still a streamer, and he's finding a way to blend those both uh because you can have control of a another form of medium that if I'm in a shitty deal with my label and they're taking all this money, and I gotta do this, this, and that, I could go stream, yeah, or make music, right? I can make my beats. Like, uh, what's his name? Blackboy Max. Yeah. Right? So he's a like T-Pain, artist turn streamer, Black Boy Max, streamer turn artist. But the way they're, I think those are two dynamics that are doing it the best. Make my music on stream. So instead of paying, I pay, I go to the street.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Oh, oh, hold on. DDG did a whole album.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Or yeah, D D D just DDG2, right? He's so he's there. Yeah. And I'd say those three, right? I can make instead of going to the studio, I can just record my studio time and recoup the money I'm paying for a studio through people watching me make my music and then flip around and resell that music that they listened to me make back to them. Why would you not?

SPEAKER_01 43:21

I mean, like with DDG, people was clowning his album sales, but his chat was crazy. Like the album, when he was making the album, yeah. So he was making that money back.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Yeah, and that's the point of the. When you're these people, when they're like, oh, I make you know, I had 10 million sales, and it's not you have to because once again, your deal is so bad, you might not even be getting a penny on a stream. So if DDD has 50,000, 100,000, and it's less and it's not 10 million, guess what? He already got paid three times for that album release. He got ads, he got sponsors, he got donations, he got his studio. Time recoup that you're paying out of pocket to someone else because you have to record in your label studio and they're telling you when you can release your music, and then he can go flip his album and sell it to the people who want to listen to it. Better business. It's better business. And then he can go.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

That's streaming shit. It's not a game. I might start streaming. It just takes it's a lot of time, bro. I gotta get my I gotta get a better setup.

unknown 44:24

It is.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

I might do uh life and times gaming, bro.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Just smack people with a game. You know, just play only play games I'm really good at.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Oh, no, you gotta play games, trash account. That's what people want to see.

Dame Dash Bankruptcy And Ego

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Ah, damn, okay. They want to see me build character, okay. Well, speaking of building character, we got Dame Dash. He's dealing with bankruptcy. Um, he's dealing with hard times. I'm not here to make fun of Dame Dash at all. I'm not here to talk down on him at all. This is the other side of entrepreneurialship that people don't see. Sometimes it you might have had the best idea, somebody might take it from you. Sometimes you might have the best idea, your ego to make take it from you.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

What do you think was his downfall?

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Ego.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Ego?

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Ego. You couldn't you couldn't move on from Jay-Z's betrayal and business to keep doing like even if I if if that situation would happen to me, Jay-Z went to the other side without talking to me, right? I'd be like, all right, cool, bro. Congratulations. You know what I'm saying? That leaves the opportunity to work together in the future or at least positivity in the space, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:33

And for and for people who may not be aware, what was their relationship? And when did that split happen? And what was the the fallout for that for Dane?

SPEAKER_01 45:43

So they were both running Rockefeller. They came together and made Rockefeller. Dame was the manager, you know, business guy. Jay-Z was the artist, business guy, and they came together and made that together. But Jay-Z sold it, and basically did some shit without Dane say-so or Dame's input. When things went the other way and everything separated, he got he left he left with some bread, but he never did any. Well, he did some things, right? Like there's some classics that Dame is a part of that shaped the culture. You know, Paper Soldiers, I'm never gonna forget that movie. You know, State Property, I'm never gonna forget those movies. Like I came up on those. Like those are the the you can't get it back. So I think he he contributed to the culture greatly. I think what he didn't do was maintain his ego. Like you can he could have had his own narrative in hip-hop, he could have had artists, he could have had if he turned it all around, it kept the business good.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Like you have connections, you met people, you have a skill set, your life didn't have to end in the moment where rough times happened, and he just never got out of that.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Well, I think he just was too it's kind of like with that Dave Chappelle skit, what is being real too real, right? Like there's a level business you have to make and decisions you have to make versus character, right? And listen, you can choose your character, but you goddamn you gotta have a plan. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have a solid plan where you don't rely on people that are opposite forces. Like Dane would say he don't like certain people will still try to work with these people. You know what I'm saying? Or talk shit on these people or talk about this and that. I think that Lee Daniels situation as far as that two million daddy owed, if he played it a different way, right? It could have gone a different way.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

If you talk shit on me, I'm not gonna uh cooperate with you. I'm not gonna do he could have had his opinions or worked in this alongs. Or if you are gonna be that up front, there are people who do respect that. Find them, or they'll come to you, but you have to offer something.

Celebrity Scandals And Moving Smarter

SPEAKER_01 47:53

I think he could have definitely made some moves within the culture. He did make moves after there are classics after all that stuff. I I just uh I hate to see this situation for him, man. He's a great artist, great, great person. He contributed well to hip hop, and he's still a pillar of hip-hop. And I I I don't know. People try to disrespect and clown people once they lose what they gain throughout their you know, their trials and tribulations, right? And their success and their failures. But like everybody was trying to wear rock aware. I remember that shit, bro. Yep. I remember we was quoting paper soldiers when we went to school, bro. Like, it it like you can't wipe that out just because he ain't that anymore. You feel me? And I think that's his you gotta show respect. You gotta show respect, man. Like, he OG, he's dealing with shit, bro. What can you do? Whoopdy do I know all set felt felt that way when he got caught. Whoopt he do, man. I mean what what? You gonna judge all set? Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

I don't know. There's no excuses that could be made. I mean, like this is is what he wanna is how you want to live his life, is who he wants to engage in. I mean, that's it is what it is. She she's a known clout goblin. So when you're going and you're associated when you're when you're associating with these demons from the lower levels of hell, I mean, you just gotta know it comes with consequences.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Seventh layer, bro. Like high tier, you know, um corrupting forces, chaotic forces.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

Um this ain't the first time she exposed somebody either, so why would you think you're special?

SPEAKER_01 49:42

They all think they're special. Everybody thinks they're special.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Why do you why would you fall asleep? Why didn't you have security taken? Why didn't you tell security, yo, when I'm done to kick her out? Go in a different room.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

I don't know who really runs the things for the rappers, you know?

SPEAKER_02 50:02

I think the rappers just like roll dice, like no, because here's the thing they be moving smarter than that before they blow up. When they're street level, they was moving smarter than that when they was cheating on their girls in high school. Why y'all get money and y'all just forget that there are certain kinds of people that you engage with that you have to move a certain kind of way around to not get caught up?

SPEAKER_01 50:27

People get comfortable, bro. It's hard to get it's hard to get up and run a couple of miles when you're coming in silk sheets, bro.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Now, is there any real consequence? And they're divorced. Like he's divorced, like people are like, oh, this is gonna help her and her divorce. Like, what for what? Y'all ain't together, he can sleep with who he wants. It's not gonna help anybody. It's just not a good look on his image.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Bad look, crazy look, kids are gonna look at that. Like, I always feel like bad, like these dudes got daughters, so like this shit gonna catch up.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Well, I'm gonna be honest, they already, then it's not like they're getting good examples from their mom.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

So for sure, but like they got daughters, bro. That's gonna impact them. And I I think they should think a little bit beyond that bullshit they on. Like, this shit is just an ego trip. He's been trying to be on the eagle trip since the Cardi B situation took off. True. So it's a wild situation to be in, man. I hope people just grow up. Even the shirty that did all that, like, why don't you just get your bag? But it it's not about that for them. It's not about that for them.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Her her fout is saying how many robbers she can get with. And they keep signing up and lining up.

Drake’s Place In Black News

SPEAKER_01 51:33

So I mean, it's like it's crazy. It's crazy, bro. How about this? Drake and uh Aiden Rosa being sued in a class action lawsuit over their steak ads and all this and that. I don't think this is gonna go anywhere. Steak got big money, that shit's not going nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Steak got that sotty money.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Yeah, they're chillin', bro. You got that chicken, man. They're gonna ditch it out. I don't know why they're doing this. They put Drake and Aiden Russell together. Now, every black outlet put this out. Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

All right, okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

So I didn't even know about this shit. I saw it on the side. I mean, I guess it's important. The skate room, and then I saw something else, and then I started seeing it on everywhere else.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

I'm just saying, like, so Drake is still black news even though he's white.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

That's what I was wondering. I I didn't, I just I'm trying to keep track of the race war.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

I'm trying to I thought since Drake was white, he wasn't working.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Separate him from the blackness, then.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

I I Yeah, separate him from the black news. Or he's the most, or is is this white person the most pivotal person in black culture right now? What are you trying to tell me?

SPEAKER_01 52:51

You telling me Aiden Rossman, he got the culture movement? I don't think so. So I it's so hypocritical to me. I just don't get it, bro. People got figured out. There's a lot of bias out here in these streets, bro. Facts over feelings. And we're gonna do it just like this. Facts over fillons. Facts over fillers, Drake. People told me that Drake was a corpse. That he should never say the N-word, that he was not black, that his career was over. They said he was a PDF, they said he had a daughter.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

They told me not to trust him.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

Still didn't find a daughter.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

Still didn't find a daughter. And it like if people are cool with the imaginary daughter, I'm cool with the beef. You know what I'm saying? Right. Well, you cool with an imaginary daughter, I'm cool with the beef. You know what I'm saying? That's fine. But despite all that bullshit, getting dissed by ASAP, I don't know what happened to him and ASAP. I thought they was cool, bro.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

He slept with his baby mom. They slept with each other's baby mom, actually.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

It's all like it's crazy. Y'all got a crazy uh love tie together, brother. Y'all gotta work that out. They they are entangled. That's why it's so much tension.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

They see each other's competition. Well, I don't know if Drake sees him as competition.

unknown 54:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

ASAP, I feel like he's the guy that got the girl, but he's always trying to compare himself to her ex-boyfriend, and he's just always trying to uh, you know, I'm better than him. I'm better than him.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

ASAP doesn't match up with Drake, bro. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

But here's the thing he's gotta he's gotta tell himself he does. And here's the thing, ASAP, you have your own lane that you are respected in, and your girl chose you for those reasons, he could have been a top five in seed though. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

He could have got too much into the NC, he got too into fashion, bro. And you know, ASAP Rocky, ASAP Rocky, live low live low glass ASAP is a classic album.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

If he would have stayed rapping like that, never went to Paris, never looked at an outfit, I think we would have a different fucking top five, bro.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

Here's the here's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

I think he has that potential.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Well, here's the issue. I think we should stop looking at potential and look at the effort and the work people put in. Because maybe that album was the extent of his talent, and I'm happy he gave it, and then maybe where his true passion and talent, he was using that to move him to where his true passion talent was. I'm not saying he couldn't work in his craft, he couldn't get better because most artists have to put some work in at some point to improve or get stale, and everyone has the potential to do that, but maybe he's exactly where he wants to be, and sometimes we just gotta accept that.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Gotta respect it, gotta respect it, but um it's crazy we went through all that shit, and Drake is still the number one artist rapper in 2025. Yeah, I think he got Kendrick about like 10 billion streams or some shit.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

It's crazy, nothing gonna say though. They're gonna be like, well, it don't matter because all Drake's fans are white. And I'm sorry to tell all these rappers, the majority of all your fans are white. Like, I don't know, I don't know what the I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

Kendrick knows his fans is white. He was telling the white shirt to say that word and shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

He knows he's still conflicted over that. I remember he's still conflicted over that.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

It's using your influence, bro. That yo, Kendrick's the funniest nigga to be done. Now that I know about him, like I thought he was just like I thought he's like a black panther that rap, bro.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

He got layers. He was an onion. Yeah, no, no. The majority of your fans are white, so you can't use that. No, but you say that there's more black fans that listen. You can't even say there's more black fans that listen to Kendrick than Drake. Because up until this beef, Kendrick was a what's the what was the term we use? For like rap, like where you gotta think a lot. Oh, wow. Well, conscious yeah, but conscious con conscious rap has never been the most popular. I'm gonna say that because that's how hip hop started. After the year about 2000, right, conscious rap no longer became the most popular rap. I'd say after Tupac entered a rap scene, conscious rap was no longer the most popular rap because we wanted ghetto hood stuff, we wanted gang stuff, we wanted that, we wanted violence, we wanted aggression, we wanted drugs, we wanted all that.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

So Kendrick, Arabic Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

Then we want a little soft part in there. You know, we want a a lovely gangster. That's what everyone wants. Like Kendrick, that wasn't you. So you were never going to be the most power popular person because your music had moments. People wanted to listen to your stuff when they were going through certain things, but Drake's music was fair for every lane, so you were never gonna beat him on that.

Kai Cenat Mental Health Reality

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Yeah, I don't I don't think uh I don't think people think or look at things in totality. Number one rapper, top five globally, number one globally, Apple. People are doing certain levels of business, it's just different. He just did uh collab with Marvel. Yeah, OBO got a collab with Marvel, bro. You know, he's on euphoria. Like, it's just different levels of business. If you go to see what the year looks like, I I'm excited for Iceman. I can't wait to see see what's going on with that. I I like that shit he was doing with the streaming as well. Yeah, I hope he like does some type of streaming type album or some shit like that. I wouldn't mind it. Speaking of streaming, Casa Nant talks about his mental health, goes into a you know, gets into a breakup with his girlfriend, he says never dating again.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Which really's young, he'd be alright.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

He he's young, he'd be alright. You know what I'm saying? Everybody, you get shot anything, be alright.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Yeah, like come on.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Yeah, somebody told me that was like black men's mental health advice for their whole life.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

So I will say, men, period, have a different way of comforting. I saw something earlier, so I'm gonna say it's not always therapy, but it's always therapeutic. We have a different way of comforting ourselves than women do, and that's fine. What I do not like seeing is the discourse that people are saying, I should just get over to the money. Oh, we don't care about your mental health, you have money.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

That shit is sickening.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Because it doesn't matter what level that you are as a person, you're always gonna have struggles. Rich people have struggles, poor people have struggles, struggles are different, right? You got struggles right now that you don't know where your food's coming from next. They have struggles right now where they can't trust people they thought were their friends for 20 years because it's about money. Everyone's got struggles, right? Telling someone that their struggles don't matter because they have money isn't the way to handle that because at a certain point in everyone's life, you're gonna want someone to take your mental sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Yeah, bro. The human experience is varied and well and painful. So I just want to make sure he's good, tremendous talent. He is the biggest out of the out of this whole thing for streaming, the most innovative. He's a big streamer. Yep. He changed the lane, him and speed. You know. Say what you want about both of those young men, but they are both black and they're both young. Give them some time. You know, I want to see what these these guys act and behave like when they're 31, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

True. And I, as you say that, actually, I never thought about that, but the two biggest streamers on the two biggest streaming platforms are both young black men in their early 20s. And not only do they one, have a good relationship with each other, I think that's important. They don't see each other's competition as collaboration. And I hope that's an inspiration that you can be, right? You can get in these spaces and you can make it very high.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

Yeah. And you know what? I you know I like about Casanot and even Speed, they're not quote unquote a narrative of what a black person should be in America, right? Especially Speed situation, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

That boy is out.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:27

Yeah. He's out there, right? Like that, like that whole thing, like, just as a like a black person, uh, as a person that grew up, like my first 16 years, I didn't leave the block. Like, like, talk about perspective, bro. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Having him show the love that black people get outside of America that this is not our only reality. Now, also, he's also had bad experiences, and he doesn't add anything. But watching someone too. Yes, so yeah, letting you know the treatment you could get, but watching someone who is loud and rambunctious, and he's young and it's a personality, but watching him still get love, and so it's like you can be you at any level. Not everyone's gonna accept it, but people will. There are gonna be people who love it, there's gonna be people who dislike it, and you can still be you and keep moving and still make money. That's important. Speed is always gonna be speeding, he's just gonna keep going around, being himself, and people are gonna love that. Take that as a lesson for what it is.

Gym Discipline Over Street Violence

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Yeah. Yeah, I respect Speed. I like what you got going. Looks like a great spirit. You should watch start watching. Uh, this is called called the Dominicum. They they be doing all this shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:39

I was hey, I didn't watch like 20 20 videos this morning of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

I was just it was just on my screen. Bro, I fucked up my hands working out watching the videos, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:51

That is the healthiest form of quote unquote toxic masculinity that you'll ever see. And I love the accountability that they hold in a keep, and they have a way of healthily teaching the release of aggression. And I think it's great. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

I would rather have all our young bulls be doing that in a weight room, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

Than shooting each other on the block.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

Than shooting each other on the block, go to MMA gym, go to a boxing gym. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really think I want, like, once I get some more bread and I get a louder voice, I want to set up a pipeline for when kids get in trouble in school, instead of going to in-house suspension or getting a cop called, especially if nobody got hurt. Obviously, if someone got hurt, call the cops. Yeah. It's different. But like, sending these kids to MMA gyms, wrestling gyms, some type of gym, some type of environment where men can be men and boys will be turned into men.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

You know what I'm saying? You can, first off, by the time you leave after that two-hour session, you're not angry no more. You're tired. Yep. You don't got kind of go to the block and be angry when he just put 300 pounds on your chest and told you to push it to failure. It's not, it's a different way to handle your issues, your anger, your everything. And that's needed. We don't need. There's places to have help, but not everyone needs coddle.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Yeah. Young boys don't need coddle, they need molding because they're quickly, they are quickly reaching 18. Literally. My pastor's like, it's crazy. I was thinking about my past is like, when I turn 13, it's like, yo, I gotta be O you. He's like, what do you mean by that? It's like I have to be O you right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Because someone else will.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Someone else will. And that person is not gonna love you. And I was like, all right, all right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

It's like like you, you're gonna be angry, you're gonna have emotions. I gotta teach you when you get angry that there's somewhere to let that out besides you hurting someone else or yourself. It's simple, simple as simple as that. Because the world wants you to be angry, the world expects you to use your hands in a non-productive way. So we're gonna find other avenues.

New Year Hopes And Sign Off

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

Gotta have different avenues and more skill sets. What's your last thoughts on everything, man?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

It's a new year. I'm looking forward to honestly, more music, less beefing from artists, right? Like, well, how do you have time to beef? Get an art, like getting a booth. Less beefing, more music, more mature things coming out of artists, more business coming out of artists, more collabs. I want to see more collabs. I'll get some collab albums this year. Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

I love that. TDE collab o all the up and cover guys over there. Oh, yeah. I don't know why we're not doing it. I don't like it. We get a surprise kid trick feature where he like watches everybody or is really competitive. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. I I would love that shit. Yeah, Jay Cole and y'all should go ahead and do another Dreamville. I wouldn't mind it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

You know what? We have more TDE people collabing on Dreamville's album than I know. I know. I know. He might as well just see them up under an umbrella. But yeah, no, honestly, T D E an OVO album.

unknown 1:05:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Would be nice. Didn't we have some of them make didn't Roy Roy Roy Woods come out with a quick end? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, all right, they're they're cooking again. They're getting inspired. Yeah, so let's get some more albums. I don't know if someone XL is gonna pop out over there. Maybe the weekly gonna do something. We don't know. They're kind of dead in the water. I don't know what's going on with them.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

XL's kind of dead in the water, bro. Yeah, ain't nothing coming for the weekend that's been like organic, bro. It's been all plastic.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

So it's because he he he's on that film stuff, and it works for some people, it doesn't work for everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

But yeah, eat pasta, like eat legos, bro. What the fuck happened with this guy?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Yeah, that's it. Just just music. What about you?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:39

Yeah, bro. As far as me, everything is everything's peachy, man. Now it's time to go get it in every aspect. We dropped five episodes on New Year. That's the pace we set. We got new pods coming out, anime podcast is coming out. Me and my friend Carlos, he's actually the first guest on the podcast, one of the first people to even shout out the podcast. So we always try to stay within people we know. I know him from college just like I know Dre from college. He just know me when I was in Dew Boys. Dre know me from State College. But we all blood.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

Yeah, I know that was a big part of you know solidarity. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Oh, that was another episode of music, man. Episode forty three, man. Keep tapping in, man. I love you guys.