Of Music & Men 50

A rap story can be funny for about 30 seconds, then you notice what’s actually sitting underneath it. We start Episode 50 with the Sauce Walker and Drake Houston backstory, how early relationships form in hip hop, and how money changes the rules once one person becomes untouchable. The Maybach moment is wild on its own, but the bigger point is how public gestures, pillow talk accusations, and “sending girls” narratives turn into leverage games that spill across the internet. 

Then we get serious. We talk through the domestic abuse allegations that have been circulating in interviews and clips, and why the presence of a child makes this more than gossip. From there we challenge the way pimp culture gets treated like cosplay in comment sections, while the real outcomes are predatory recruiting, transactional relationships, and long-term damage that people pretend not to see. We also break down the Adam22 factor and the podcast ecosystem itself: views, clout, and the uncomfortable reality that “street rules” don’t apply to everyone with a mic. 

We close by widening the lens to the music industry: Drake’s numbers, replay value, and why catalog ownership matters when legacy debates heat up. We also dig into Jay-Z criticism, business practices, and what “community benefit” really means when the proposal is a casino. If you care about hip hop culture, celebrity power, and the business of rap, there’s a lot here to wrestle with. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review, then tell us: where do you think the line is between entertainment and accountability?

Transcript

Late Night Catch Up In LA

SPEAKER_00 0:00

It's Late in LA. A music of Men episode 50. What's up, bruh? What's up, Dre? What's up, Dad? How you feeling, man? Good, good, man. It's getting warm outside. Bro, it's getting hot out. I'm about to turn 29 next week. Life is moving forward. 12 sales last week. So, you know, we're just a lot of momentum. We're coming in with a lot of momentum. We're going to carry it. We're going to be disciplined and talented. We're going to do what we need to do. We're going to address things. We're going to get better. Maybe I'll wear a turtleneck. Oh. Yeah. With a chain? I was thinking that. Okay. Yeah. Because I can't forget where I came from. Nah, and you got to have shades too. I was thinking that too, but Blade did that first. Okay. So, you know, it's up there. You don't get enough respect for that. Yo, Blade's really up there, bro. I could do a whole pod on Blade. Don't worry. When Marvel announces that movie, yeah. Oh, I mean, bro, that's when you come on the anime pod, bro. We talk about everything over there. Yeah, we talk about everything over there. I'm going to do all my like blurred content there. So, like music, and I even music, uh, Marvel, comics, TV shows, superheroes in it. We'll be covering that on Life and Times anime. Dre might pop in when things are popping. Anyway, what is popping?

The Sauce Walker Drake Backstory

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Sauce Walker and Jizzy Drake Rogers. So let's give it, let's give everybody the backstory. Sauce Walker is a Houston. I want to say, I would I wouldn't say a Houston legend, but he's known in Houston. He's a notorious person in Houston. He's a notorious person. He's a part of the fabric. And we get to the culture of Houston. And that's something I want to talk about, the culture of Houston. And there's a lot of cultures that are similar. It kind of reminds me of LA culture as far as the pimp culture and how people operate out there. Now, when Drake was just coming up, 2007, 2008, 2009, he was frequently going to Houston, building up his name, interacting with people. He almost got signed by uh Bun B. He almost got signed by T.I. A lot of people was fucking with Drake around that time. And this is when he was still a young artist. He didn't have a lot of bread. He didn't have security. Now, Sauce Walker meets Drake on his come-up. Drake isn't Drake yet, but he's talking to Sauce, and they're almost at like a peer level. You would say Sauce would have more sauce, especially in Houston. Yeah, especially in Houston. So at the time, the relationship was very peer-to-peer. And then I'm guessing as Drake rose, Sauce was still Sauce and Drake was still Drake, but Drake is no longer the peer, right? And there was some other tough guy shit that I've heard has happened surrounding Drake before. This is Drake before he had any security or muscle or anything like that. So like, and if people were like, I and this is where people lose me, right? Like, this is how Drake became who he became because he had all these early encounters. He had to get around the industry and get with and meet with people, yeah. And he's meeting Sauce Walker at a point where he has all the power. And Drake has probably taken a bunch of L's. But he took those L's, and once he had the power, he never gave it back. And I think that's what happened in this relationship. So Sauce Walker and Drake are both tied together in this Houston thing. Drake goes through Houston all the time. Now they're starting to link and have the same women involved. They're involved with the same woman. Drake and Sauce are both talking to the same type of sureties. Drake is buying them shit, paying for penthouses, this and that. Sauce, in his perspective in POP, POV, is that he is sending girls to Drake to break off that money. Yeah, that's that's that's that's the thing. I I'll we'll talk about that later. I want to keep that in the air. Yeah. I'm just telling you the big things that's going on, how this relationship goes, and like his mindset behind us, right? So over the years, he has sent over five women to break the owl. He said this. Right? Now, over over the year, he's sending Drake, sending Drake women, ooh wee, you know. Yeah. And Drake's been being broken. The owl's been broken. So he the owl has been broken, and he has been giving out his feathers of brokenness to these women over the years. And then splitting the money with sauce for. This is what happened. But did it did something change? Drake bought a Maybach. And the Maybach had the beat, baby. He was actually referencing one of you know how you said that's how I do the sauce in the spell. He was talking about him. For real. I didn't know. I didn't know. But he was talking he was talking about a lot. He was talking about a lot of niggas in that song. That one track. And imagine like a diss to you. Goes number. We'll talk about the number, bro. But like that diss is very good. And I think that's why people hate having Drake as an enemy, because this only makes people like the song more. The more you learn about the lore of the song. Yeah. Of course. It just makes people want to be more intrigued about the lyric itself. But so now Sauce and his baby mom that he sent to break the aisle has received a Maybach. And after she receives this Maybe back, Sauce is he's embattled. He doesn't like that. He feels like Drake is pillow talking. Drake is using women to get at him. And now the women that are sent to break the aisle are now breaking the sauce. So now the sauce is being broken. Uh-huh. And the trust between Sauce and the ones he sent them to the owl to break, they have been broken. And now she's on Instagram posting about now. This is serious, and I'm going to stop joking. This is the serious

Abuse Allegations Behind The Jokes

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part. And I don't think outside of all the little funny shit that Drake and Sauce Walker are doing between their egos or whatever, there's real abuse happening to the shirty. And there's real things happening around a child that should not be happening around a child. This sounds like a child support situation. Not even a child support. Someone needs to call DHS or something. Because in this story and what she's talking about, in between all the funny shit, trying to get at Sauce about the Drake situation, about the Maybe and who has more money or what have you. He said that Sauce Walking, she said this a couple times, and this is on video, and this is on Anne 22's platform. He got her beaten up in front of his child by two other women. One person that's a part of his family, and another one. And the reason he did so is that they had an altercation in which he had put his hands on it, right? He said, Oh, I'm not gonna put my hands on you anymore. I'm gonna have somebody else do it. Now, this is all on video. This has all been confirmed on Adam's 22 interview. So, like, this isn't like a misnomer. This is what's out here. And this is the most serious part of the situation. And like, I wanted to lead off with the jokes because this is a serious situation. I hope she's pressed charges. I hope fans don't think this is just a little baby mama drama. You know, the song that he put out to try to capitalize on the moment and people was vibing to it. I think people need to understand at the heart of this story, it's domestic abuse. Well, there's layers to it, right? First off, he's publicly and openly admitted to pimping out women, right? So you're pimping out women, splitting money. You like you're trying to make it like, oh, Drake, you're some you're sending money into these girls that I'm sending you, blah, blah, blah. You both pay for women. Let's get that out there. Which whatever. Y'all both pay for women, but you're pimp, you're actively participating in sending in essentially soliciting women for sex to get money back, right? Now, y'all both paying for women under the terms of like a girl saying, I'm not sleeping with you if you don't buy me a bag or take me to a fancy dinner. A bunch of people are gonna disagree on whether they consider that prostitution or not. If someone has to spend money on you to spend time with you, though, there's a legal definition for that. That being said, if you're pimping these women out, you're abusing your baby mom, you're getting her beat up. That's I mean, first of all, it's illegal. You need to be in jail, that's a weak look. Second, for those interviews that she was talking about, because we talk about sauce and Drake's beef. It's like, bro, every time you talk to your baby mom, Drake's name comes out of your mouth, that's also a weak look. You think she said it every time you call, every conversation, it's Drake. Well, look, Drake, tell Drake buy your food. Tell Drake that it's like a jealous situation going on. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You don't you already don't respect these women. Like you don't respect these women. She got pregnant, she had your kid, and you should take care of your kid, take care of stuff. You were prostituting these women out to Drake, and now you want to put it on them as if they're at fault. But also, not if she's in domestic abuse or anything like that, but also women, ladies. It's not worth being in these lifestyles, in these situations for money, for bags, for cars, for anything like that. Getting involved with these kind of guys. Here's the thing, and let's say this for young women, like 18, because this is when these guys are going for them. Let's be honest. Even lower. 13 is right 15, like young ladies. We don't know what sauce and them are doing down in Houston. We don't, you know, the laws is different down south, too, right? As far as certain things. So we don't know how they're starting, right? But I have to say 18 because that's what she said on record. Okay. She's being pursued freshly 18. So she just turned 18, and sauce walker the pimp is talking to her. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is predatory. This isn't funny to me. This isn't like, oh, this guy's uh pimping these bitches out. This is cool. Like, I think this is alluring, and a lot of factors of street culture is alluring to immature people. Like it's an immature realm. That's why we got, I mean, you saw the Drewski skit. Like, look at the ages of the people we really dealing with and the mindset and the you know, the stuff. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look at Sauce Walker, bro. He's like 36, and he and this is what he's on the internet. Talking about like checking in with us, doing all this. Like, why do you want that to be the first off? Like, I'm not pocket washing like that. But like, where did that get you? Like, where where does that truly get you? You are not creating any benefits in your community. You're pimping out the if you're doing this to the women, I can only imagine how you're instructing the boys in your community. Right. And as you say, right, it's alluring to immature people. It's fast, they're getting stuff they wouldn't have access to unless they worked hard themselves, which is another thing we got to talk about in the community with like teaching people to not necessarily aspire for fast stuff, but it's like then they grow into immature adults, right? They now come to a life when I was 18, 17, 18, 19, whatever. I had men buying me stuff, buying me cars buying me this, paying for my rent. Then you grow into an adult. That's an expectation. As a young man, you're now seeing, oh, if I want to get women, I need to be buying them Chanel and paying for their rent and buying them cars and doing all this, and you lose a level of respect in seeing this person as a person when your whole relationship with each other is transactional. Yeah. If you leave with something like that, it's not gonna get good results. It's crazy that SauceWalker's kid is gonna see this, and that's the biggest thing that like this shit is momentary, and the shit that people are putting on the internet is forever. Their kids are gonna read this shit, bro. It's gonna be bad, bro. Because imagine you gotta look your son in your eyes and be like, yeah, your mom was a hoe, and I was pimping her out. You my son. It's crazy. That's a crazy conversation, and I don't think he's thinking about that. A lot of these guys look like drug users, you know, like they're really like far away from their decision making because like the way he positioned himself throughout this whole thing wasn't anything that you would think you would see from a father because he has other children. You know what I'm saying? He has other children, and then like his rapper lifestyle and his narrative he got going is crazy. Like, I I really if I don't see a grown man really having a lot in common in listening to a sauce walker. Like, I I I don't have anything, I don't have any of his music or anything like that as well. Like, anytime I've ever heard about this guy has been attached to Drake in some format. His biggest uh claim is that Drake is a cultural realtor, this and that, and this and and he then he has videos, and now he has all this lore with him now. It's just crazy. And now we get to the we talk and we've talked about this, right? And first off, yes, Drake went down south. First of all, he's not from the US. Drake entered hip hop and went down south. He's attached and picked up the adjuves of the people that he was around and surrounded himself, whether that was when he was with Wayne on Money or the stuff he's been in Houston and a lot of people he's interacting in Atlanta. Yes, yes. I will always go back to say none of y'all are complaining about when Tupac did it. And I'll leave it out there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, people, you know, people pick and choose whatever they want. I'm not really worried about that. But let's get into more serious situations.

Adam22 And The Podcast Ecosystem

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We got this Adam 22 interview he did with the baby mom, the Adam 22 situation he had with him and Sauce Walker went back and forth. His wife is into adult film and this and that, and has been propositioned, and a lot of people are propositioning her, and Sauce is saying, Oh, you're I'm a pimp. If you want to be on the show, I gotta do something with your shirty. He's like, crazy. Yeah. So, like after that happened, now he just had his baby mom. They just went through it with Drake about on the pod. Put her on the pod, and everything on the pod looks like she's building a case. Yeah. Hey, but they tell y'all about getting on these podcasts and told y'all about these podcasts. But here's the thing, though, people are mad that Adam22 is moving like this. He is not of the streets, he does not have to play your rules at all. Bro is a podcaster on porn star, if you want to call it that. He was doing stuff with his girl, which we'll get into that part next. But he's a podcaster and he's basically a a porn star. Y'all think he's gonna respect the street culture is already not cool, not for regular civilians, anyways. So then you expect this guy just because y'all come on his podcast for y'all to get to transaction, he gets views, y'all get views. He doesn't respect y'all. Doesn't have to. And you know, people empowered and created, and it's the wildest thing. The ecosystem that these guys are created behind and supported behind that they don't even feed or foster. And that's a big issue. But these guys have been allowed in hip-hop. So, you know, Sauce wasn't mad when he had, I'm sure Sauce and somebody affiliated with him has been on the show. Somebody in the in the culture that they deal with has been on the show. I'm pretty sure Sauce is on the show. So, like, there you know saying he didn't have an issue then, and that's the problem, you know. And I I don't really get it. We get into the sauce walk uh the pimp conversation now. It's this is a case. I think this is an open and shut case if he has anything open, and there's a lot of situations with his crew in you know, the criminal network out there in Houston. So like locked up for it. I think he gets locked up for the situation. So like I think he should chill. And I think it's too late now. It's a crazy case built. Like, if you look at all the material that he put out and that she's put out, and then on top of this interview, and Sauce Walker's he's literally telling people, he's telling DJ academics that little baby is paying this amount and Drake is paying this amount for the girls, for the girls, like he's saying, and AK saying this back, saying, I heard this from Sauce Walker. So, like, he's going to these extents to prove that he's P just for you to be locked up in the film, and you know what's even scarier about that? Isn't that crazy? If he doesn't get locked up, anyone still buying girls from him is dumb because at that point that's an informant. Bro, that ain't uh bro. They want him out here. They at that point they are actively using his network and reach to build a case on whoever he's soliciting to. Not that y'all should have been buying girls from him in the first place. And I don't think that uh Drake or any of these guys are buying traditionally. I don't think that's the conversation. I think that they meet these girls at strip clubs and this and that. They already start like the girl herself is like, I met Drake at a strip club. Like Which is a whole nother undercover issue where people try to get around. Once again, that's like a definition though. That's a pipeline though. That's a crazy pipeline to think about it. Because uh, if you meet the girl at the strip club, you're already showing bread. So you know saying like it is what it is. I can't foster nor promote that culture. I don't get it. I never thought it was cool. I never seen the why am I paying bread to have anybody be around me? You feel me? I feel I feel like that's weird. But I and we let's dig into this. Like

Pimp Culture And Community Damage

SPEAKER_00 18:37

pimp culture, sauce walker, this Houston element and how people's grown men are in the comment section, and like we're hearing the story about the shorty getting beat. He's got videos of it, and they're talking about oh, he he's pimping her. Oh, he centered, so it's this or that. The LARPing that people are doing these days is fucking staggering, bro. Like, they really think that these uh these lifestyles are as glamorous as it looks. Like, these girls are getting picked up at young ages. These guys they even become who they are. Like, if you look into Salt Swalkey, he has mother trauma. Like, and I'm not I'm I'm gonna be very careful because like it's a lot. So, like, why? But that's how you get there. Now that's why you're like, ooh, we I hate women. Like it's it's uh not hard. It's unhealed stuff and now you don't respect and you see them in a certain way. And you got a bunch of unhealed adults out here causing future pain and setting rules and standards for future generations to also continue that pain based off your life expect experience and perspective. It's not what the culture should be. It shouldn't be respected. It should be. Things that aren't respected. I knew this I for Annal2, Lena, like they're supposed to be uh getting divorced. I didn't I thought it was some Klaus Chase and shit. It is some Klaus Chasing shit. Animal 22 is always gonna be for attention first. So are they not really getting divorced? Yeah, it's it was fake, bro. Yeah. But I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised, but it's Adam, you pimp out your wife. That's the thing. You can't take that back. That's not that's no longer your wife. That's like pimped out your wife, and then you got beat up by the dude you pimp out your wife to. It is still business. That's his business partner. That is not his wife. It's a sick world. They have satisfactory. But you're right at this point, that is. Like it's crazy, like the setup and the shit they probably got going and how they sit down and mastermind how they rule their little worlds. Crazy. But yeah, that was the conversation. And here's another conversation.

Tricking Versus Pimping And Power

SPEAKER_00 20:55

So, like, Drake is reportedly, like, this is from that DJ Academic Sauce Walker conversation, reportedly paying like two mil, not directly, but so the penthouse calls this X amount a month. I pay for this service a month, as far as driving, cleaning, whatever, food, whatever. So, like, he's two mil a year for one girl? No, two different shirties or a collection of women. Like, I don't know, but this is how he does it. Yeah. Like, he'll say, hey, I'll put you in this apartment complex for the year. I'll give you this vehicle. If you do something I don't like, I'm repossessing, and that's what he does. Or can you say that he can have access to women in each city? He got a girl in Houston, a girl in Atlanta. Anytime he fly down, he stands in that spot and she there waiting for him. Yeah. Listen. First off, if someone's like Drake's a trick, I'm not gonna be surprised. I'm not gonna be honest. We talk a lot of these, a lot of these, and this this isn't just a laboration. First of all, let's talk about this. A lot of high net worth individuals, period, operate like. But if someone were to tell me Drake's a trick, I'm like, yeah, I believe it. Like, what do you? I'm not gonna be like, oh no, I'd no, nothing about Drake's music would lead me to not think that Drake's women. So I made it a topic because I was wondering why it was a topic for people as far as like detractors. Like if people listen to me, if you were like Kendrick tricks on women, I'd be like, yo, whoa. I need the evidence. Hold on. No way.

unknown 22:26

No.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Drake tricks on women. Damn. Really? I could probably pull up 10 songs right now where he's telling you that he tricks on women. Bro, you told me he ain't feeling alone. He needs someone to come and find him. Yo, like, come on. But I wasn't surprised when I see this. Also, tricking on women, not that I approve of it, is different than soliciting prostitution and pimping out women. Very different things. That's what I'm saying. I don't think he's a few. I also don't approve of Drake tricking on a woman. Like, I think that's corny in the first place. Get married, bro. You're about to be 40. I don't think it'll take it. Listen, man, I don't think we'll see that, bro. You're right. I mean, he already got his kid, also. So like I just probably could have forsaken me. And he just never I would have. I would have. As soon as I had that kid, he should have been doing that when he was putting hot sauce on the condoms. That's

The Hot Sauce Condom Story

SPEAKER_00 23:20

what he's saying. When you go to those extents, when you got heated up, that's fucking crazy, bro. Rich dudes don't really think about shit. I would have froze my shit, dipped my shit, and whenever I wanted one, I can just have it. Yeah, no, we would've we That's crazy. That's crazy. They're like, oh, because I'm just I can just pay her and force her to get an abortion to come down to it. Like, no, not everyone's gonna say yes to that. What if you just get what if you just take responsibility? Bro, like I think the best thing we learned out of that situation originally was the fact that Drake was using condoms in the first place. But you put a hot sauce in them, bro. But do you know what? If someone said, Yeah, bro, I put hot sauce in my condoms afterwards, they're gonna let you shoot crazy. But the fact that the girl came out and was like, I got burned because you didn't put hot sauce on a condom. She didn't come out. Now, now you have to look at a situation and be like, damn, I know why Drake's putting hot sauce in condoms. Bro, that's nuts, bro. That's the thing we don't think about. We would never think about that. Like, and you look at dating situations, a lot of the times women are in the power in those instances. So as a guy, as a regular guy, you would never have to think about, damn, this girl is trying to trap me. I need to do stuff to my condoms. I need to check and do a water test for holes. I need to put hot sauce in them because she's trying to get me. Like the average guy doesn't have to think about that shit. So they're looking at the situation, it's like, Drake's crazy. No. Bro, you should have been got snit, actually. Bro, Drake's he's probably carrying around a Taco Bell Diablo hot sauce for right now, dog. Right now, you probably got like three packs on him right now. He's going to Houston again.

unknown 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Not to say that the most for pregnancy. Like, obviously, you don't know these women. Please wear a gond of them. Bro, while all this shit is going on, Drake is bringing all types of fucking records. Yeah. And he's also in Turks and Cagos right now, bro. What's he in Turks for? You know where he's doing the tricks of war, bro. Out there buying cabanas, bruh. That's crazy. He's like, what y'all need? Acres? He's out there with 21. Bees on the table. Bro,

Drake Numbers And Why Hits Last

SPEAKER_00 25:44

speaking of bees on the table, Iceman sells 174k and goes number one again three weeks in a row. This outsells ASAP Rocky in his first week, and it outsells GNX's second week, and obviously his third. So it, you know, only real shit is gonna last. This album is extremely repeatable. I you can go. Me and my girl was listening to, we got into the car, shebang came on out of nowhere. We're listening to Make Them Pay. Yo. Shebang is crazy in the car. I gotta say, the more people start warming up to shebang yet. Yo, if it's a summer day, summer day. The wind is blowing. Shebang. Exactly. It's summertime. I was like, yo, we should stop it daddy quick. Bro, it gets too much. But he has music that like you have stupid, silly moments to his music that make memories. Yeah, bro. Come on. Remember Hotline Bling? Singing that shit at the first or all right, fucking. Yeah, like it's then it's on the radio, and then it's funny, and then everyone's doing funny dances and memes. Like Drake understands the internet. He understands the audience, and he he hasn't have a problem like making fun of himself. Like that's the big thing. I mean, you see that fucking Nike commercial, bro. That's all personality. That's all who am I? And all right, cool. Give me a bunch of bread for that. Yeah. People call him Corny and shit. And he's like, all right, corny makes money. Pash me out. But yeah, man, number one again. I think it's gonna go number one again for uh probably for another week. There's a lot of pop albums coming out. There's some pop albums coming out. This isn't on the list, but Vince Staples album's coming out. It's out now. Pride Baby is out now. And this is the problem. If you guys got problems with hip hop, oh, this is not that, and no Drake is this and that. I haven't heard a single anti-Drake podcast mention Vince Staples and he's a West Coast act. It's fucking dud. I mean, not even just that. What other musics come out around this time? Black came out with an album, and Staples coming out with his album. There are other artists that have music that are out that is not, you know, people like Drake doesn't have music of substance. Do you actually go and listen to Music of Substance? Are you actually listening to it? Because Ben Staples just dropped and Ebro hasn't told me shit about this. Yeah. What are we talking about, bro? What are we talking about? Um let's get into it. Janice shut the fuck up, spends another week at number top at number one. Listen, bro, this is a rap track that stole number one two times. This is straight, this is straight bars. I'm pretty sure it's a pass not like us, or it's similar numbers. I don't, I don't know about you gotta fact check me on that one, but that's still a number one this year ops. Hendrick did it, Drake did it. That's the perfect rebuttal to me. Jay-Z is now feeling the power of Drake's pin after all the years of talking shit about him and his talent level and this and that. He has a number one addressing you, OG. The jig is up. And he and he went, he was very calm. He's like, the jig is up. The jig is up. Right. Yo, now why is Jay-Z giving us a four-minute freestyle?

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Drake.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

You seen his hair with his hair was out. He was he was he was in his poetry bag. Yeah, Jay Z, bro. Yeah, he liked to do he liked to do a poetry slam at the beginning of a lot of his concerts, so it's not new. They said this wasn't inspired by Drake, you know. Nah, not at all, bro. Hey, neither was Watch the Throne, bro. Dig was never a part of that guy's process. I'll I'll tell you what. That's like outside of 444. Wait, was Watch the Throne the last album Dizzy had before 444? Pretty sure. Maybe Blueprint 3. I don't know. But 444 is like one of my favorite. Like I'd say Reasonable Doubt, 444, Wash the Through, pretty high. The Blueprint 1 was very good. Blueprint 2, I didn't like to like pop it. Like, and that might be the reason I like three. Because I it introduced me to a lot of I bro. I mean, even having grew up on that. Like I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was sounded way too new. It was a new sound. Like all the tracks on there was yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Jay-Z, he never was like, I think Drake adapted to new music better than Jay-Z. He always adapted better. Like to the new. I mean, too. As soon as, like, especially let's talk about like when House became popular and a lot of more rappers started trying to get in the house. Drake was quick on the the house. Caribbean and UK house sound, which kind of is a mix since UK house sound is also brought by Caribbeans. But he's he's quick with those artists and to get on that. And yeah, Jay-Z was like, oh, this 2010s rap stuff. We had boys out here singing. I don't really know how I feel about it. Yeah. Death Ball Auto Tune, he was hating on the young bull's heart.

50 Cent Fallout And Revenge Porn

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50 Cent, baby mom got exposed. You know, the Diddy situation. This is the same time the Sauce Walker shit happened. So like he's listening to the song by Sauce Walker, just a little baby mom trauma. I think one, you know, everyone looks at it like a like a uh 50 gotta take that L. You know, he typically trolls a lot of people. But in 50's response to it, take it for what it is. I mean, we are watching a lot of people have been taking advantage of of Diddy, though, so not to shame the baby mom again. Everyone wants to there's a baby mom for whatever, okay. In light of what we know about the Diddy situations, and some people are like, well, Diddy's innocent, some people like it's not. Diddy had an ecosystem of abuse and taking advantage of people, whether that's to say everyone that he interacted with was taken advantage of or not, or was a willing participant. It's not to say, but a lot of people were taking advantage of. So I would say anyone who's getting stuff come out with them. First off, this counts as like revenge born, right? Posting stuff about sexual acts that we recorded, whether she posted it. I don't know. I don't think I know. That's crazy. Um but what like this woman now has a sex tape out about her involving a notorious person that she probably never wanted to come to light. So that's just gonna be rough. Yeah. Again, 50 Cent got a son with her, so that's just gonna be crazy. Yes. That's gonna be tough. Getting into the Jay-Z situation, you know, there's fallout from the four four-minute freestyle, there's fallout from people uh starting to really get at Jay-Z and how he does his business, Bobby Smurda, a New York act. This is important. You know, a New York act going at a Jay-Z means a lot. That means in certain chambers of New York, Hobe isn't getting the respect that people are thinking he's getting. Now, but what does he do for New York? That's another thing,

Jay-Z Business And The Casino Debate

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right? He's trying to do the casino, bro. That was from New York. Wow, that whole situation was I think behind that leagues in my head. Because, like, you know how these things operate. You know your communities, you know how people are already perceived. You go put a casino up, who's gonna benefit? Where's that money gonna go? Who's gonna get hired? Is that what we need in the community? More vices. So now in one place, you're gonna have a location where people are going to solicit gambling, solicit alcohol, and probably because shit be happening in casinos, there's gonna be backdoor shit, illegal shit happening. That's what you want to put, and that's your give back to black people. Bro, casinos is one of the best places to clean cash, laundromes, casinos, barbershops. There's so many things you could do with that. It's a pretty wild situation as far as what Jay-Z's intent for New York could possibly be. Um, Bobby Smyrta is highlighting that he was going through his prolific case, and Rock Nation was trying to get involved, and they were trying to do some weird shit and get him to do some weird shit, and he got into the operations of Rock Nation, and just uh there's some things going on with those guys. They are very bullyish in their business, and they have a certain mindset approach to talent that happens to come from Jay-Z's background, and people are starting to talk about it, right? Like, Jay-Z has a lot of bad business practices. I mean, look what he did with state property. Look what he tried to do. And I mean, look what he said to Gilly the kid. Like, this is like this is documented. Gilly didn't sign, Jay-Z looked at him, he said, I'm gonna make it hard for you. And he made it hard for him. There's certain shit like that should get you kicked out. But not when he's running it. No, no, no. Like, I'm not even talking about that. Like, culturally, that shouldn't be cool. It shouldn't be cool to be like that. But but you know, and that's why Drake talked about the old heads. You know, all the old heads learned how to do business from their oppressors. So people in charge in that generation was like, this is how we all gonna do business. None of I'm be honest, none of these label heads that were previous artists are clean. None. Jay-Z, Baby, Diddy. You see the stuff happening over there at freaking TDE. Like, oh yo, there's another TDE situation going on. Really? With Sir, you know, sir the singer? Yeah. He got some shit going on. See, look, they just none of them are good. None of them are good. Crazy, bro. Like, and that's the second TDE case that they got going on. So, like, you're not gonna hear this anywhere else. This is not a topic anywhere. Yeah, nobody talking about it. Nobody's talking about this shit because they are, you know, when not like us came out, bro. That is a bag, and that's a lot of handshakes behind closed doors. And that's why you get these narratives and this pushback. You get more pushback on Jay-Z in his situation with Epstein than anything with Drake in his situation. Like, two years ago, we believed the worst of this man, and we get this guy on the demon list, and he's like, nah, nah, he prayed up. He prayed up. Not a single person. I mean, like, it was immediate. It was not like we it was not the same, bro. It was very consensus, it was very, we it was orchestried. No, it was orchestra. Yeah, uh yeah. Push is crazy, bro. Push is crazy because like And I'm still not over clips at the Vatican, but you know, you gotta shake these hands with certain people to that's what I'm saying. Like, how did he get there? What did he do? All right. Yeah, man. I'll try to make it through, man. Yeah. These dudes will shoot the shit out of you, bro. That's all I know. But like you said. And he referencing when he stabbed somebody, like, what the fuck is that? So that's one of the things Bobby Spider was talking about. He's like, look, I've been around the Marcy projects. I spoke to people, people saying you wasn't doing a lot of stuff you was doing. So, you know, did you fabricate your backstory and stuff like that? But we're and maybe that's hey, that could be true or not true. What we do know is what does Jay-Z do for Marcy Projects now as a billionaire. But coming from a guy who just, you know, people are gonna listen to some of the stuff Bobby says. Why? Because this is a guy who actually did time. This is a guy who took more time to help his friend. Because you look up the case, Bobby was only supposed to do five years. Rowdy was gonna do 12, and they basically told him if you do some more time, we drop Rowdy's time down. This is a guy who went to jail and did extra time to help his friend out. He also um did what everybody's supposed to do in the narrative. So he's supposed to get rewarded when he comes out. Supposed to be rewarded when he comes out. So the narratives is the narratives. Jay-Z is being put in a new light. We're younger people. We are not. I remember when Jay-Z was out. I have pictures of me in Rockaware. Like I remember Jay-Z. I had a pair of jeans. Like, no, I had a set, bro. I had a set. Yeah, I bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro. I grew up black album, bro. We just listened to the black album wearing Timbs. That's what we were doing. But you don't have that stardom look anymore. You grew up as a lie. I grew up. Now I'm starting to look at how he does business. Now I'm starting to look at how he is. Now, people are saying, and this is something we talked about.

Drake Catalog Value Versus Jay-Z

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Let's really get into the meat and potatoes. Jay-Z was never the guy at any time of his career. No time. There's been clear, dominant years where Drake was the guy. Jay-Z and Drake don't have nothing to talk about. No. They don't have nothing to talk about. They're in different lengths. Musically, catalogue and catalog, and hits and numbers and all that, they're not the same. And then that one thing Jay-Z could say on Drake, where he's like, I mean, you know, don't look at my net worth as more than what they reporting. Not for long. You could have said that last year. That shit does not apply to Drake anymore, bro. Drake got Drake is not gonna tell. Drake is not telling anybody about this billion dollars, bro. That motherfucker's been 250 since he recouped 400. Bro, like net worth has been the same since 2022. Remember, he didn't say a B on the table, he said B's on the table. Okay, if he can recoup 400, okay. And under a year? In under a year, and then the rest of his contract is just fulfilling albums, and he gets a percentage of everything in the rights returned back to him. Drake's catalog is worth more than Jay-Z. Yeah, and no one should be able to argue that. I'm not trying to talk shit or anything like that. It's just, it just is. When um Larry Jackson was talking about Drake's catalog, he said, oh no, Drake's catalog is worth as much as Eras, you know, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s. That's Drake's catalog. The only people whose catalogs should be in the same conversation as Drake's that are alive, by the way. We're not talking about that people. Is if Justin Bieber didn't have to sell his for dimes on the dollar, Justin Bieber's, Taylor Swift's, if her wasn't also taken by Skidder Braun, her OG catalog originally, those are probably the only two people, and maybe the weekend's old music. Those are the only three catalogs that you could have been like, uh these these could have sold for what Drake's old catalog was worth. At this point now, though, new music coming out, nobody's catalog is worth as much as Drake's. It's crazy. It's a crazy time to be in. Yeah, it's it's uh what's next as far as this Jay-Z Drake conversation, and I feel like Jay-Z wants to drop a track a track. I think Jay-Z wants to get at him. I think Jay-Z is gonna drop some music this year. I think he's gonna do the Kendrick thing hop on the feature in this. Kendrick or Jay-Z are they're they're gonna hop on a feature.

unknown 41:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Oh,

New Music Takes And Industry Taste

SPEAKER_00 41:22

I forgot to tell you this, but so apparently Drake sniped uh Baby Keem's girl. Family Matters. Yeah, yeah. It's not gonna be a good looking baby Keem, but Kendrick have to be the one that come out and he stays silent. I mean, I listened to Ken Baby Keem's album, bro. That shit was mad, bro. I now I'm looking back at it, bro. The only two albums I got with me are the Earl Sweatshirt, a Mike album, the Drake album, and the J. Cole album. I'm not listening to nothing else. There's not much. I I gotta I gotta go listen to the Lucky album, but I can't I don't like Lucky as much because I'm not as biceppy as I used to be when I used to listen to his music. So it's kind of like, we'll see. Lil Yachty and them are all back to back together, so we'll see if they do something. Not listen to uh, I mean, I'm gonna listen to it. I'm not playing our replay. I don't foresee them having the substance because it also doesn't just the it doesn't look good the way they broke and came back. And I'm like, whatever y'all are about to produce right now is not gonna be a substance. I think we're gonna get some hot tracks, and that's all I'm looking for. I'm not looking for an album. I don't, I'm not, I don't look at them like they're outcasts or anything like that. I haven't looked at a group like, oh, I should listen to the whole album in a while. Even like these, I've seen these little rap groups like Brock Hampton, and people were telling me about Brock Hampton and groups like that. I'm like, that shit is not like I listened to it, I'm like, this shit is not the bars you think it is, bro. Like, it's just it's not what, like, I don't know, bro. Like, I remember that that you know that one song, Alcoholics, right? Like, it's a song like that. You know about what about G Easy? G Easy has a couple of hits. If rappers like that, that I don't I just can't. Like, I'm not bumping your album. You feel me? Like, I'm not bump, I'm not bumping um fucking what's Yum Bull's name? Uh, Jack Carlos. I'm not listening to Jack Carlos all over a lot of people. Yeah, and first of all, I didn't play Jack Carlos at all. Just straight off the respect of his his media tour that he did so was enough for me. Like, I'm not listening to this. It was disrespectful. Isn't he uh rolling a rail weird a koofy? Yeah, and saying he's getting blacker. What can we do, man? I'm not listening to that shit. What can we do, man? DJ Droma brought him into the game. Bro, and here's here's my biggest issue with most white artists in hip hop specifically. Y'all

White Artists And Cultural Respect

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had a precedent for I shouldn't say how you should behave, but how you should behave. Coming to a culture that had to be made out of a way of survival, and as a student of it, you want to profit off it, and that's fine. He's not scot-free, but y'all had a representation of an example in Eminem of like how can I navigate this space with respect at a certain level? And everyone who came in after him just did it wrong. Uh Mac Villa did well. Oh no, okay, yeah. But no, Mac no, Mac is a great example. Mac is a great example of someone who took it as a student, paid their respects, never did anything crazy. But you got people, like I said, Post came in, got his bag, did it. You've had other people come in. People wanting to ball that was young. We had other people. Taylor Riley. Justin Bieber did his black stint. Justin Timberlake did a black stint. Justin Bieber, he's hopping in out. You never know. Now, to be fair, and I will say this. That shit happened with Justin. Justin gets the grace that no one else gets because Justin was a child. And by highly prolific black artists, forced into the position that Justin was in and taken advantage of. Hey, him and Usher was fighting somewhere too. It's a picture of him. Yeah, and I've seen it. And it's like, but you when you you've taken this young boy, this star, and you've black culture actually did a lot of harm to Justin Bieber. And I would say he still has a level of respect as an adult. As a kid, we've seen a video. Justin Bieber was you know doing hard at hard R jokes and all that. Like we've seen that, but he was also getting abused by Usher and Diddy. Yeah. That's not, we don't know that though. We can't say that. We don't know that. It's alleged. It looks like they were doing that. But if we know what Diddy was doing to grown adults, we can look and see if Diddy might have been doing to. Hey, they said Dre got somebody with a weird case around. We still, we still partying with Dr. Dre. We paying for the Usher and Chris Brown collab concert tickets. Crazy, that's a crazy go. They on tour right now. All of RB abuse.

Attraction Power And Taking Advantage

SPEAKER_00 46:07

R and abuse.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

Yeah. Girls pay for Chris Brown tickets at all, actually, will never not make me look side-eyed when people talk about domestic abuse. Bro, if you're if and this is the same thing. It can go both ways, but if you're a dude and you're attractive and you have money, it don't matter. Yo, that's actually more power than being a pretty girl. Being beautiful in 2026 as a girl may have never been easier in the world. Not as a good thing either, because there's a lot of social pressure. Being an attractive dude that women consider attractive puts you at a level of power that you can take advantage of people that is unheard of. I mean, look at that dude, that prisoner. The dude who was in jail and then became a model for a couple. First off, he and he's made complaints. Like, obviously, good, take advantage of your looks, get your bag, whatever. The girl showing up, he made a complaint. He was like, Yeah, because you're only allowed certain visitations like a week and stuff like that. And whether he wanted people or not, he said, girls will show up to the jail and use his visitation time, and he told the court, like, I don't know that person, I don't want it. And they would count that, and he couldn't talk to his family. Like the lengths that people will go through for attractive men needs to be talked about. I think attraction period, like the movie Obsession just came out. Did you watch it? Yeah, I've seen it, bro. I was thinking about talking about like I was talking to uh Bef about throwing the movie review. That I don't watch horror movies. Like I'm I'm gonna tell you, I'll be the first. I'm not a horror person, can't do it. I'd be an epic. But Obsession was a crazy movie. Crazy. So it goes it go both ways. People gotta watch out, exact, you know, understand the positions and understand the psychology of people. And don't take advantage of people, bro. It's a choice at the end of the day. No, it's so easy to just like, even if there's someone's willing to step out of their comfort level to do things for you, it's easy to just be like, nah, bro, don't do that. Yeah, seriously. Like, I remember when I was like a sophomore, one of my friends is a freshman. He was like, Yeah, Nate, yeah, Nate. I was like, all right, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like you're trying to keep up with me or whatever. Like, all right, yeah, I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

This is first beer. I get it. But chill up.

unknown 48:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

But now let's get into another situation.

Storyboard P And Drake Chess Moves

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The dancer from Iceman Storyboard P actually has some history with Jay-Z Beyoncé and a legacy within the black hip-hop space as far as the dancer and choreographer. He was doing an interview with What's the Dirt? A prolific YouTuber who's big into like peeling the layer behind the layer as far as the hip-hop space. Okay. And it was crazy to find out that Jay-Z has been stiffing people even back then and during all these things. I didn't know he was in that video to how looked it up. I know. I know. So, you know, these dudes, Drake and Iceman is an album that has a lot more layers. And I feel like like every week we found out something more about the album. Like when I heard about the baby king shit, I was like, damn, I understand why you guys don't like each other. And this is why I tried to tell people this was a visual album that you had to watch because you wouldn't understand. But you know, when I found this out about this artist, you know what that reminded me of? It was like, this is when they had exes dancing on stage at the Super Bowl, and they had Serena Williams coming to the show. Oh, yeah, and I'm like, all right, so Drake throws someone in the video. Y'all want to diss me, y'all got problems with me. Now I'm gonna publicize. Let's put a prominent person who's respected, a well-known figure. No one else is willing to stand up to Jay-Z, talk about this case because they ain't secure their bag. So let me put him and give him a stage. You did him wrong. And now we could talk about it. Now more people know who he is. Because I'm be honest, I didn't recognize him until I seen him in the two Drake videos. And then we go back and look at the Jay-Z one. And it's like, oh, okay. Why are you doing someone like this wrong? Crazy. It's crazy, bro. And it's just a chess move. There's a lot of chess moves within this album. Um, a lot of positioning that he did throughout the three albums, a lot of the songs from the other albums are starting to pick up if you haven't noticed that. And other albums have solid numbers as well. This summer is priming up to be a summer for Drake. But

Kool-Aid Pineapple Trend And Classism

SPEAKER_00 50:31

the thing I really wanted to talk about, bro, the thing that got me going, what is up with this Kool-Aid and pineapple combination that is taking over the neighborhoods of America? What's going on? That's your yeah. Pineapple, break it down for me. People are pulling up on people. They're selling this shit in the trenches, bro. You can buy it. You know how they got the fruit?

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Like if I see it.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

And you know what's so crazy? What's up with that? I literally just bought a case of pineapple spears in a jar. Yeah. And they charging dudes like $20. Yeah. I don't, well, some I think they can make them alcoholic. Like you could do whatever with their drink. Yeah, because it's the typical soaking fruit and the juice, whatever. But it's like, I mean, look, innovation. Get your bag. Innovation, bro. Making other shit cool. I love it. Yeah, yeah. All the hood should be the circling around. Everything that used to just be poverty, now it's kind of cool. You know, hey, you know, what's that's a hey, that's a lot of things. That's a lot of things. It was when the poor people was doing this, somebody got a taste. I said, You only charge how much for this? Yeah, we're gonna put a premium. We're gonna put a premium. And then when it gets good enough, they said, Y'all can't do this anymore. Because this is this is for us. It's for us now. We're gonna force that in restaurants. You need a permit for that. You need a I'm be honest. There was one, I went to like a southern food place before, and they were selling like Kool-Aid. I wonder how long it's gonna take actually for Kool-Aid to start being served and sold in high-end restaurants as an option. I mean, you can already go to a lot of places and get apple juice, orange juice, some other stuff. They gotta start selling Kool-Aid. Yeah, I mean, I don't get it, bro. Classism is a so crazy. So crazy. So crazy. It it is wild. And it's leaking all over our society. I mean, look at like crab, crab like used to be for poor people. Crabs used to be for poor people. Crab used to be for poor people. Like, now everybody's doing a seafood boil. Crazy. Oh man. But no, I'm excited for this year. There's a lot of good music coming out. It look it's looking like Drake's got scary hours too, or four, no, four coming out. So like there's it's a lot of energy out. The Knicks

Knicks Talk And Closing Thoughts

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are 2-0 over the Spurs. Yeah, I'll tell you right now, listen. The Knicks go 4-0. Yeah. I'm gonna have to move to New York. Yo, honestly, to be in New York, if that shit, like that night, it's gonna be the craziest night of your life. You should do it. Drinks, you gotta do it. I'll LART LAR, I got LARP three, bro. But the Zeron effect is hitting. And, you know, he's already doing big things, but I'm telling you, I might have to start looking at them rent prices, you know. Obviously, something something good's happening over there. Something's happening today. Oh, bro. I'm gonna do a pod with Kwan. Oh, yeah. Kwan's gonna be gold nuts over that shit, bro. You uh yeah, I gotta get with him. I ain't spoken to him in a minute. Yeah, I'm gonna catch up with him. But no, it's been a n a great episode of A Music of In, episode fifty. Me and Dre giving all our change, uh all our thoughts to the people with all the change. Tap in. Episode fifty, Life in Towns.